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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg oh we have an

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exciting episode for the para cast this

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week and we'll introduce our guest in

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the few moments they are champing at the

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bit right now in fact I talked with one

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of our guests just a short while ago and

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will tell you about that conversation

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because it has some interesting news in

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the meantime one of the things in Chris

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and I have not done as often as we

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should is talked to those of you who are

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listening to the podcast for the very

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first time or maybe you started

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listening a few months ago and you don't

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get the lay of the land yet I think the

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mistake Chris and maybe you'll agree

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with me here is that sometimes what we

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do is we think about the listeners

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who've been around for a while and not

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the ones who don't know all the players

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and don't know the inside baseball what

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do you think I agree and I think it's

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important for our newest listeners out

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there who maybe aren't quite as up to

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speed to do your research and really

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find out about some of the personalities

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that we have on the show get yourself

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educated as to the width and breadth of

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the phenomena that we cover on the show

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it's really difficult I think for some

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of our newer listeners to keep up and

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we're gonna make a real concerted effort

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for you know our newbies out there to to

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kind of stop our guests and have them

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digress a little bit and give a little

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background about cases that they're

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talking about that maybe most of us know

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about but some of us don't we're gonna

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try to shoot a little bit lower in the

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common denominator area a little bit for

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some of our newer fresher listeners now

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the point is here it's not saying that a

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new listener because you are a new

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listener you know is intelligent you're

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not as observing as our existing

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listeners is just you have to start

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somewhere now

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one feature we've added to our forums

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which is new so you won't see much in

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there right now we have a forum at the

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para cast comm slash forum or forum Dafa

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para cast comm this is a place for

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listeners to interact and it's a place

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also where we talk about things not just

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about the paranormal but about politics

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about culture about music and we have a

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new feature called book reviews and

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right now it's just being populated but

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over the next few months people will be

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adding their own book reviews and you

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can yourself this is a user-generated

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book review section maybe I'll

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contribute maybe Chris will but anyone

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who is a member of the para cast forms

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you can put your own reviews there

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that's very simple to do so we suggest

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that that's the way you will learn about

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interesting books that maybe we won't be

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getting to on the para Castro we'll be

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getting to in the future but the place

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to interact with our guests is something

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called the question Bank as soon as we

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know that we're gonna have a guest or

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guests on the show what we do is we post

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a thread in the question Bank that

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allows you to ask questions of our

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guests it's a great way to interact

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because we're not a live show it's a

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great way to interact and find out

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specific information from a guest the

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normally you would be able to call into

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a show if it was live since we're not

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live when we do tape the show this is a

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way for you to get your questions

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answered and the other thing is here

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even if we were live there'd be a

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question whether we should take live

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calls without especially curating the

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calls because you'll get very cogent

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comments and then a few wackos will join

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in and I'll try to start trouble and

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it's easier if we have something written

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in advance we can look over the

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questions and we're not going to send

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through them we're just going to make

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sure that we ask real questions and not

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just somebody who is saying a few things

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just for the heck of it maybe in the

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future we will do live calls that's how

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it works now so it's forum dr. Peric

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ascom and you go to the question Bank

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you don't have to be a member by the way

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to see the contents of the form just

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click on the question Bank you'll see

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the threads or topics to a specific

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guest and we'll stick the ones in the

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sticky threads area that relate to the

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guest that's going to be interviewed

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another thing to Jean about

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forum is we have a lot of really

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gracious posters you know from time to

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time people who are new to the field

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come in you know ask probing questions

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to get themselves up to speed and I must

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say we do have a lot of gracious posters

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who are willing to to take someone who's

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maybe not as up to speed along and

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educate them so this is a really good

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resource for our newest listeners out

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there who really want to get more of a

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sense of the field in the history and

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the just kaleidoscopic elements that

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these phenomena tend to present us and

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the thing you should remember too here

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is that it has believers it has skeptics

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it has people in the middle the great

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gray middle of a point of view so

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therefore if you believe or disbelieve

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where you're skeptical about a guest

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don't be afraid to talk about it

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sometimes they get a little bit ornery

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in these forums we try to control that

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but just be aware of that that the

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restrictions and language that are part

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and parcel of mainstream radio are not

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necessarily present in a forum so we

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allow a little bit more freedom there

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because the FCC is not curating our

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forums and therefore that's how it goes

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again its forum dr. Peric ascom a couple

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of other things quickly if you want to

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check us out on Facebook there is a para

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cast fan club and a para cast group we

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have to figure a way to combine the two

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on Facebook my name on Facebook is gene

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Steinberg if you want to send us a tweet

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you go to the para cast on Twitter and

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now those of you who use the new Macs

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and Apple's coming out with a new

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operating system and the mobile device

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is the iPad the iPhone Apple is

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integrating Twitter and now Facebook in

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everything so there's no excuse not to

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interact with us that way but today we

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have two guests who have been on the

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show separately and equally and now

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they'll be here together and the subject

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is disclosure is there such a thing is

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it possible in the UFO field to actually

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disclose what's going on will the

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government tell us what they know do

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they know anything worth telling the

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gasps Sir Richard Dolan of course he's

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written the UFOs in national security

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state

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and we also have Bryce Zabel he was

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producer of a TV show called dark skies

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which was a TV show back in the 90s it

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got quite a bit of response and we may

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have some new developments to report in

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the future about dark skies and Bryce

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will tell us about that they came

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together to talk about disclosure in a

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book called after disclosure and the

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tenant of the book is okay the

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government of the United States Great

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Britain wherever says we're being

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visited by ET how do we fend for

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ourselves now understand Chris and I

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over the years have been somewhat

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skeptical about the prospects for

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disclosure somewhat skeptical I am

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understanding my friend I had to throw

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that engine it's kind of like when do

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you think it's gonna happen and I'll

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give you the reason why I've been

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skeptical is we've been looking for

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so-called disclosure in the UFO field

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for many many years back in the early

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1950s major Donald Kehoe former Marine

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Corps major retired wrote several books

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about UFOs including one called the

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Flying Saucer conspiracy where he said

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the government the US government knew

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the truth about UFOs that they were real

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that they were interplanetary or

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interstellar and he wanted them to tell

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the truth he figured we could stand it

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but you know what in 2012 it's not

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happening will it ever happen Chris did

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you ever believe disclosure was possible

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yes I did back when I first started

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actively investigating out in the field

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dovetailing my efforts with other

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researchers back in the early 90s when I

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didn't know better I thought that yes

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the government knew all the secrets and

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we're getting ready to come forward and

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spill the beans after 60 years and

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fairly quickly I realized that that was

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probably not very likely and as the

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years have gone on I've become less and

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less more and more convinced that it's

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not going to happen let's put it that

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way that which was unlikely now becomes

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almost impossible huh exactly and and

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we're gonna talk about this with rich

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and Bryce I'm sure

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exactly you know the prospects not just

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the reality and then it's the question

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of if the government has guilty

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knowledge that they've been keeping all

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these decades any government around the

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world yeah how do we persuade them to

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tell us what they know I don't know

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maybe give him a noogie well a petition

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won't help there was a petition sent to

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President Obama and some third assistant

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flunky from his office says well there's

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no evidence that UFOs or spaceships

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could by then they tried a second

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petition I don't know if it's been

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submitted yet but the problem with these

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things is you don't have much time to

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screw up so the first petition doesn't

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make it don't think they gotta pay much

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mind to the second petition the book is

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after disclosure the authors are Richard

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Dolan and Bryce Abel with gene and Chris

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you're in the para cast

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debating who is going to say our closing

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stinger the power cast and I have to

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think when I talk about this is that

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Chris and I and our guests Richard Dolan

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and Bryce Abel are all in separate

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locations and there's an old story back

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in the 40s when the movie comedians

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happened in castelló were popular for

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one year they couldn't stand each other

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so they would not appear on the screen

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together they'd have to I guess shoot

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their segment separately and maybe that

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was with Martin and Lewis back in the

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50s I don't know but everybody here is

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together with one uniform connection and

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we'll be talking soon and updating about

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after disclosure whether any progress

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has been made towards that and the

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feeling about well with disclosure

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what's the impact of society how the

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society of prepared to cope with it but

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one of the things you want to mention

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here is as you know those of you who

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heard the previous appearance with Bryce

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Abel he was a producer of a TV show in

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1996 and 1997 for NBC called dark skies

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now NBC has done last screwy things over

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the years and number one of which is to

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cancel really good shows of which this

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is one of them Bryce is there any

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possibility in the era of reboots that

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there could be a reboot of dark skies I

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hope so

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I'd certainly in doing what I can to

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encourage that thinking but you know the

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fact that NBC canceled a good show

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doesn't put them alone lots of networks

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have cancelled lots of good shows over

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the years and they'll continue to do it

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because it's it's you know it's a

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subjective reality not an objective

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reality different different shows work

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for different people but to answer your

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question I got a little like hot under

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the collar

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a few weeks ago when someone sent me a

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URL that said Dimension Films is

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planning to shoot a film this summer

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about alien abductions and they were

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going to call it dark skies and that

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seemed to me like a reach too far I

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don't technically own dark skies even

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though I created it with Brent Friedman

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Sony television and Sony Studios owns it

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so I've alerted Sony that they should

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actually use it or lose it and that I

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believe they should put dark skies back

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into development for either a reboot as

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a television series or as a feature film

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franchise we're actually in discussions

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about how they might want to protect

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their brand because dark skies thanks to

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the 2011 DVD release has become a brand

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once again thanks to that ability of

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people to be able to sit down and watch

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all of it over a long weekend if they

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want to so yeah I think there's a

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possibility I'm exploring it there's a

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Facebook page dedicated to show that

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people are interested in it and we'll

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see now one of the things about titles

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can you copyright a title

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no not necessarily but where it does get

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a little a hanky is where someone else

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has a like you you say you can't

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copyright a title well if that's the

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case why don't the four of us are on

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this call right now produce a film

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called avatar - I mean you can't

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copyright a title right different things

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that people can do with titles so I'm

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just my point is it's not an absolute

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and it depends on how it's being used

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etc the fact that someone else would do

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a dark skies about alien abductions is a

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little too close to the bone I would

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think for Sony lawyers to want to

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tolerate so I've tried to alert them to

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that and to the fact that Brent Friedman

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and myself would be happy to reboot the

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series in film or television but the

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lawyers sort out who owns what title or

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how it might work but more to use it as

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a springboard if you will for a

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discussion about whether this brand

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which basically says that all of our

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modern history has been influenced by

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the UFO secret that's a pretty strong

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brand and I'd like to keep it alive and

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I think it's more relevant today than

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ever especially given what rich and I

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are here to talk to you about absolutely

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and the place is called darks

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guys UFO on Facebook so you go to

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facebook.com slash dark skies UFO as we

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speak there are 2239

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likes not bad for a page that two weeks

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ago had 500 I basically threw the

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gauntlet down a few healthy fans and

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said look before I call Sony to alert

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them to all this it would be nice if you

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would show whatever support you have and

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they took that page from you know a

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respectable and nice little home of five

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hundred to a pretty thriving vibrant

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community of twenty five hundred I think

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that shows something and we'll we'll see

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I'm rooting for you thanks I appreciate

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that and and I would only ask that

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anyone who listens to this when they go

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there and take a look at you can simply

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just go to Facebook and look up dark

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skies and you'll find the page I'd love

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it if people go there and actually like

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it because those are the numbers that

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bean counters are gonna look at you talk

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about people canceling things obviously

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the bottom liners look at numbers they

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look at Nielsen numbers they look at

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Facebook Likes all that kind of stuff so

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it's always to your advantage to drive

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those numbers up and I hope that your

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listeners will help me do that and

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remember it was the fans who brought

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back the original Star Trek for final

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season in the days before there was

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social networking it's very possible you

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know we live let me just wrap it up say

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that we live in a time what with shows

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like yours with the way that rich and I

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have produced and and also publicized

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our current book ad after disclosure how

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dark skies was able to come back say as

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a DVD and now people that never saw him

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before able to see it we just live in a

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time where the rules are changing and

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being reinvented and that is disturbing

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on some levels because the old rules

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don't apply and it's hard to make plans

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but on another level it's very exciting

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because it means that things that might

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have been just too impossible before are

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now wholly possible and I think that is

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a great place to be operating from well

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someone who's created with my son our

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own science fiction series in terms of

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literary series I'm all for this more

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the merrier we hope that you and Sony

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can work something out here for Lee vote

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for Doc

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skies thanks so much Richard Dolan you

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were busy working on UFOs in the

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national security state and you took

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kind of a segue to work with Bryce on

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after disclosure how did this come about

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yeah that's interesting gene this was in

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the late late part of 2009 I got a phone

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call from Bryce I didn't know who he was

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really all I knew was I remember dark

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skies but Bryce called me really

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initially we we were talking about him

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working off of the histories that I had

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already written and maybe doing a con TV

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treatment or some kind of film or video

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treatment of that work itself and what

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we really discovered quickly is that

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through the early part of 2010 we had a

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lot of conversations and they they

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morphed a bit and we discovered that we

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both had an interest in this whole topic

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of disclosure which of course for the

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past five ten years has gotten a hold

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over a lot of ufology

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very much being discussed a lot by luck

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people and we thought we had a different

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idea we thought we had something

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original to contribute to this emerging

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discussion and that is really to try to

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think about what what would happen if

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this event that so many people have been

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wanting for myself including Bryce

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included actually were to occur so how

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would the world be rocked by true and to

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germinated in the spring of 2010 and it

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April early April 2010 we mapped the

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and created a sort of division of labor

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basically it would be like okay you're

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working on chapter six I'll look at

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chapter two this week and we'll come

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hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

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parrot cast and it's as good as it gets

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believe me Richard Dolan Brice Sabol

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joining us together they wrote a book

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called after disclosure and as we broke

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rich was telling us about how they

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divide up the work process who got which

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chapter and who was going to do which

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type of coverage now in terms of

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separating the workload how did you feel

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in terms of topics who would get what

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00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:41,910
well you know initially we thought well

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there are certain topics that would

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naturally go to each one of us and we

685
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can go over that but really what

686
00:27:52,790 --> 00:27:51,030
happened in practice is that Bryce would

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start a particular chapter or I would

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start a particular chapter and come up

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with a couple of thousand words and then

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really hand it over to the other guy who

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would then have his own thing to add and

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00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:03,090
and we ended up editing and adding to

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the entire to work as a whole so there

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may be certain chapters that might be 60

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percent me in other chapters that might

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be 60 percent Bryce but really when we

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got to the end of the process we both

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realized that we had a difficult time

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when we reviewed the actual writing like

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00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:20,610
who who actually wrote that paragraph or

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00:28:25,390 --> 00:28:22,980
that sentence and in fact the answer

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00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:25,400
frequently was what we really both did

703
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:28,530
yeah I was gonna say gene what we did is

704
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,650
we did this whole process through Google

705
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:33,840
Docs because rich lives in New York and

706
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:36,450
I live in California so us actually

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00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:38,490
physically being together for the length

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00:28:42,770 --> 00:28:40,140
of time that would be necessary to write

709
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:42,780
a book of of this magnitude just wasn't

710
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:44,940
going to happen physically so it had to

711
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:46,740
happen virtually and what we ended up

712
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:48,930
doing I've always written like this with

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any writing partners where you write on

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00:28:54,770 --> 00:28:52,530
top of each other one guy takes a pass

715
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:54,780
at something and the other guy edits it

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00:28:58,550 --> 00:28:56,490
and that works as long as you both trust

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00:28:59,900 --> 00:28:58,560
each other and rich and I quickly got to

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00:29:02,210 --> 00:28:59,910
the place where that's exactly how we

719
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:02,220
feel I feel like anything of mine that

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he touches is going to be better and I

721
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:06,540
hope he feels the same way and so what

722
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:10,050
we did is we just kept plowing the field

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00:29:14,780 --> 00:29:12,570
if you will and and now it's true I

724
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:14,790
actually sat down

725
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:17,580
a couple weeks ago and read the version

726
00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:19,710
of AD after disclosure that is now out

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00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:22,380
in all the bookstores nationwide and by

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00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:24,060
the way it's being featured in Barnes &

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Noble for the month of June and July on

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their new and noteworthy table which

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means when you walk into a Barnes &

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Noble supposedly you're to find a copy

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of AD after disclosure they're excellent

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which is terrific news and we're very we

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feel very validated but and so and

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literally as I was reading that book

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that's in those Barnes and Nobles I

738
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started to just realize that we have

739
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been through it enough times and in

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enough different ways that it's really

741
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one of those glorious byproducts of

742
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collaboration we're both guys kind of

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say yeah that's our book and that's all

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absolutely right yeah it was a great

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collaboration and I have to say you know

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looking at at it from my point of view -

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there's no way I would have been able

748
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alone to do this kind of a book and I'm

749
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sure Brice feels the same way from his

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00:30:15,530 --> 00:30:12,840
point of view we really each had a key

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00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:15,540
thing to contribute to it and it's a

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product that I think we're both happy

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00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:19,050
with it and the other thing that I've

754
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just add is writing the book was a

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really great adventure because here's

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where I really think we had something to

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contribute as I said I mean a lot of

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people have been talking about

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disclosure and the need to end secrecy

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but from my point of view a lot it just

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seems so utopian and wide-eyed naive

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like oh yeah the disclosures gonna solve

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every single problem will make the

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deserts bloom I've heard that one how

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many times and all of these other issues

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that we all I think who studied this

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problem can recognize that UFO secrecy

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00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:52,080
is probably a bad thing

769
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and I mean I have argued that it's been

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a bad thing for our society for a long

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00:31:01,100 --> 00:30:58,890
time I I believe in truth but then when

772
00:31:02,810 --> 00:31:01,110
you get past that you ask yourself okay

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00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:02,820
well let's bring the secret out what

774
00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:05,130
then we found that really no one was

775
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,140
having this discussion no one was really

776
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:09,840
having a sophisticated intelligent

777
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:11,130
discussion about what actually would

778
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:13,110
happen not make-believe stuff but real

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00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:15,240
stuff and so we we tried to post a

780
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,700
letter now that I want to ask you about

781
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:19,440
rich and Bryce and that is here

782
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:22,200
obviously in every other case we talk

783
00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:23,850
about disclosure or even from the days

784
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:26,580
of major Donald Kehoe very little is

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00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:27,970
said about the ramifications

786
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:29,950
the methodology of disclosure and the

787
00:31:34,590 --> 00:31:32,410
ramifications if it happens honestly

788
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,600
what we did is we wrote the book that we

789
00:31:37,890 --> 00:31:36,640
wanted to read we looked around at what

790
00:31:39,780 --> 00:31:37,900
was out there and nobody had written

791
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:39,790
this book so we said I guess we have to

792
00:31:43,890 --> 00:31:41,710
do it and we approached it from the

793
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:43,900
point of view almost like we were

794
00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:46,050
writing the RAND Corporation

795
00:31:50,910 --> 00:31:49,060
presentation about how disclosure could

796
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:50,920
possibly come down so that

797
00:31:55,260 --> 00:31:52,630
decision-makers could think about it

798
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,270
which as rich pointed out created

799
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,880
probably the most fascinating

800
00:32:00,180 --> 00:31:58,960
collaboration I've ever been a part of

801
00:32:02,190 --> 00:32:00,190
and I've been a part of some really

802
00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:02,200
great ones that I'm very proud of but

803
00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:03,670
this one was really interesting because

804
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:07,150
the topic was so fascinating to ask we

805
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:09,310
kept asking ourselves not what are the

806
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:11,530
blue sky things what are the things that

807
00:32:14,910 --> 00:32:13,510
everyone affirms about it every time

808
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:14,920
they talk about disclosure but what

809
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,070
would it look like and could we actually

810
00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:20,320
make that specific and would we be

811
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,640
daring enough to make it specific

812
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,440
because the problem with being specific

813
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:25,360
of course is that the second you say

814
00:32:29,910 --> 00:32:28,240
something that's very clear and clean

815
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:29,920
somebody else can say well I don't agree

816
00:32:35,220 --> 00:32:32,530
with that at all and we made our minds

817
00:32:38,010 --> 00:32:35,230
up early on to take a lot of risks in

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this book for the simple reason that we

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felt that the book was really a starter

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of a global discussion if anything and

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that it was important to have people

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like it or not like it but talk about it

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because we were not actually talking

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about how the world is going to look in

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any of these other books and now I think

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we've accomplished that and I'm

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relatively pleased at the response that

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most people have had which is you don't

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have to agree with a hundred percent of

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what's in this book but you will see the

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reason we did it the way we did it which

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is to take very specific stands and I'll

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just give you one very specific stand we

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asked ourselves ok well people are

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always talking about the president

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disclosing will it be the president well

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we don't necessarily think it will be

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and we can get into that more later if

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you want to but we thought if a

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president was going to may us president

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was going to make a disclosure statement

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we asked ourselves when would it be and

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we came up with a very specific

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prediction that if someone is going to

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disclose UFO ET reality in a in a

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presidential setting it would probably

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be on a Friday after

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after 4 p.m. Eastern Standard Time after

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the news cycle as they say and the stock

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markets closed right and the other

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question of course is would it come from

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the President of the United States would

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have come from the Secretary General of

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the United Nations would they fight over

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who has a chance to make that revelation

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because I assume that lots of

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governments would share this there's no

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way the United States would know

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everything and no other government on

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the planet would not have some inkling

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of what this is all about

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conversely maybe some other government

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may have come up with something so that

864
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would be part of it now the question

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that comes across here is you wrote the

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book and you said well this considered

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what the RAND Corporation would do as

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kind of a guidepost towards how the

869
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handle disclosure do you think that any

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government is smart enough to have a

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document like that already under wraps

872
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:36,380
yes their process yeah I think so

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I I don't think that they're about to

874
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let you and me read it I think that I

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think it's probably eyes only for a

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certain select group of people but if

877
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you let me just put it this way if you

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were sitting on a secret of this

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magnitude for over six decades going on

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00:34:58,810 --> 00:34:55,070
seven now and you hadn't taken the time

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to write what happens if this management

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of the secret falls apart for reasons

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that we may or may not be able to

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predict how would we handle that if you

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didn't come up with that plan you

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wouldn't be doing your job very well so

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intuitively I just say there has to be

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one of those I think rich q any Q right

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00:35:18,820 --> 00:35:17,210
well I do and I just had in my research

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00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:18,830
I've personally spoken to two

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individuals very high highest level

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types of individuals who have said

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exactly this to me that essentially

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there is a review every certain number

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00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:29,780
of years once said every five or ten

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years and another one said more or less

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the same thing in fact one of them told

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me that he had been part of such a

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review process at one point this is this

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is years ago and in fact one thing that

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00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:44,150
he mentioned to me and this really stuck

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00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:47,570
with me was that he said there are a lot

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of people who review this who actually

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do believe that there needs to be an end

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to see

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see at some point the problem is all of

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the little sticky normal the

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ramifications like legal ramifications a

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lot of people were terrified of lawsuits

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I mean purely mundane types of

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considerations when you get right down

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it when you compare to the presence of

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superhuman extraterrestrial visitors

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maybe that might be telepathic and super

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intelligent but these guys one of their

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key worries was lawsuits take that on

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I'll tell you I want to ask you about

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the lawsuits but also about controlling

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the secret how do you do it

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is Don Ecker and you are tuned in to the

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para cast let me tell you what you're

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gonna hear stuff here that you probably

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won't hear anywhere else hear that

1033
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George Noory

1034
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we have Bryce Abel Richard Dolan and

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authors of after disclosure with Gene

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and Chris and the para cast and one of

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the issues of course is the outgrowth of

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disclosure and this is something that

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hasn't been discussed which is the legal

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ramifications so we know that lawyers

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will find any way they can

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to make a living I wouldn't make it a

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pejorative even about lawyers I would

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just say modern society is as technical

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and as complicated as it is needs

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vehicles that allow people to work out

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their problems and when disclosure

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happens in whatever form it happens

1049
00:42:00,340 --> 00:41:57,980
whether it's forced disclosure or plan

1050
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disclosure it's going to throw a lot of

1051
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things out there that have to be worked

1052
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on and they'll end up in court

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most things end up in court in our

1054
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modern society we have a whole lengthy

1055
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part of the book that is about this I'll

1056
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give you an example one thing that's

1057
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clearly gonna have to end up in in court

1058
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is what about a pilot who saw a UFO who

1059
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reports it who then finds himself that

1060
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grounded for years and his career

1061
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materially affected and then disclosure

1062
00:42:32,530 --> 00:42:29,690
happens he's going to file a lawsuit to

1063
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find out if the people who downgraded

1064
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his flight status also knew about the

1065
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reality of UFOs because if they did then

1066
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they they damaged this man and you bet

1067
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he'll sue so just one example the other

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example might be for example say the

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family of Thomas Mantell allegedly he

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dies while chasing a UFO we can say

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maybe it wasn't a UFO maybe it was Venus

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or a skyhook balloon whatever it is

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someone in that situation where somebody

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is injured

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or somebody is killed because of their

1076
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checking into a UFO case though but most

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of those legal things their statute of

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limitations and also that he was working

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for the government

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so I man tell we we actually handle this

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case very directly we believe that

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probably in the year or so after

1083
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disclosure there will be a move to give

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man tell his proper military due for

1085
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having died you know in a combat mission

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00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:30,360
in essence instead of just being a crazy

1087
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:32,010
guy that couldn't tell Venus in the

1088
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:34,230
night sky but from a statute of

1089
00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:35,880
limitations point of view he probably

1090
00:43:41,810 --> 00:43:38,460
doesn't have action neither do his heir

1091
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:41,820
his his family but a lot of people who

1092
00:43:47,090 --> 00:43:44,460
are currently alive do have courses of

1093
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:47,100
action well regarding the legal issues I

1094
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:49,290
think at least is fundamentally more

1095
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:50,760
fundamentally there's going to be the

1096
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,640
problem of just political outrage over

1097
00:43:58,580 --> 00:43:55,920
the secrecy itself and there's going to

1098
00:44:00,890 --> 00:43:58,590
be a lot of angry citizens so you'll

1099
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,900
have a situation where you know I mean

1100
00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:02,160
let's just back up a little bit because

1101
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,200
people who believe that why would the

1102
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:06,480
secret even come out anyway after all

1103
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:08,910
that it's been pretty effectively

1104
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:11,640
contained for let's say about 70 years

1105
00:44:14,540 --> 00:44:13,140
now how about one human lifetime when

1106
00:44:15,860 --> 00:44:14,550
you got right down to it and although

1107
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:15,870
they've been leaked sound although

1108
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:17,910
there's been issues involved in this

1109
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:20,370
great where this has come out and that's

1110
00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:22,200
come out essentially it's still held and

1111
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:24,270
so the argument with people why do you

1112
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:26,990
even think this is going to come out and

1113
00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:31,530
and then but but when it comes out it's

1114
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:33,180
going to be very explosive we

1115
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:34,740
incidentally we believe is going to come

1116
00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:36,770
out because we're in an absolutely

1117
00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:39,240
revolutionary era and and to expect

1118
00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:40,740
things to stay exactly as they are

1119
00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:42,150
indefinitely I think is ridiculous this

1120
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:43,230
is not 1950

1121
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,870
it's not even 1990 we're in an era where

1122
00:44:50,330 --> 00:44:48,000
we've got mass communications that we

1123
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:50,340
could never imagine WikiLeaks I think

1124
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,780
that phenomenon is going to be very

1125
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:54,000
significant so when this comes out when

1126
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:56,850
when the president let's say is forced

1127
00:45:00,740 --> 00:44:59,490
to reveal something about this because

1128
00:45:03,020 --> 00:45:00,750
that's the only way it's gonna happen is

1129
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,030
when they're forced to do it there's

1130
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:05,520
going to be a lot of people asking a

1131
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:08,250
basic question after the fundamental

1132
00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:09,510
like are we safe who are these other

1133
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:12,180
guys they're gonna ask how if you kept

1134
00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:12,730
this

1135
00:45:17,579 --> 00:45:15,070
all these years what does that say about

1136
00:45:19,770 --> 00:45:17,589
the corrupt nature of our society that

1137
00:45:23,550 --> 00:45:19,780
you've kept us from our media mainstream

1138
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,560
media our political system our academic

1139
00:45:28,859 --> 00:45:25,359
institutions our scientific community

1140
00:45:31,470 --> 00:45:28,869
people are going to want to know just

1141
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:31,480
exactly how this structure of secrecy

1142
00:45:36,930 --> 00:45:34,480
operates and that is a key area where

1143
00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:36,940
lawsuits class-action lawsuits are going

1144
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:39,190
to be scary and not just lawsuits but

1145
00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:41,530
congressional hearings because Congress

1146
00:45:45,150 --> 00:45:43,750
will be forced into looking into this

1147
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,160
they may not want it but they're gonna

1148
00:45:48,930 --> 00:45:47,200
have to do it so I mean when we're

1149
00:45:51,740 --> 00:45:48,940
talking legal ramifications we're

1150
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:51,750
talking about the whole structure of

1151
00:45:57,329 --> 00:45:54,250
society in many ways is going to be up

1152
00:45:59,819 --> 00:45:57,339
for grabs in terms of this mass action

1153
00:46:01,470 --> 00:45:59,829
suit of the but of abductees you know

1154
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:01,480
that's part of it right there certainly

1155
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,770
but the other question I would have to

1156
00:46:07,170 --> 00:46:04,960
ask here is keeping the secret then we

1157
00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:07,180
have a situation now of course where the

1158
00:46:11,790 --> 00:46:09,550
US Congress is investigating along with

1159
00:46:13,620 --> 00:46:11,800
the Attorney General and special US

1160
00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:13,630
attorneys whether there have been

1161
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,270
significant leaks about our current

1162
00:46:21,660 --> 00:46:18,640
military actions with regard to the war

1163
00:46:24,540 --> 00:46:21,670
on terror now the question I have is if

1164
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,550
this secret is being kept that decision

1165
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:27,520
will be made in what the late 1940s how

1166
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:30,250
do you keep a secret like that for so

1167
00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:31,980
many years changes in administration

1168
00:46:36,270 --> 00:46:34,750
changes in Congress changes in the

1169
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,280
personnel in the military and the

1170
00:46:40,770 --> 00:46:38,319
intelligence agencies how do you do it

1171
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:40,780
man well one of the ideas that we

1172
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:43,030
believe is actually probably close to

1173
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:45,730
truth is the concept that the secrecy

1174
00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:47,890
has become privatized to a large extent

1175
00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:50,950
not a total extent but think of it this

1176
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:53,470
way look at a u.s. president he's he's

1177
00:46:59,609 --> 00:46:56,050
in for four years maybe eight okay

1178
00:47:01,920 --> 00:46:59,619
you've got bureaucracies that run with

1179
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:01,930
life tires that are in you've got an

1180
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:04,300
intelligence community that's littered

1181
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,910
with special access programs as far as

1182
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:08,319
anyone can tell have little to no

1183
00:47:13,140 --> 00:47:10,930
effective oversight not not even by

1184
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:13,150
their own departments whether it's the

1185
00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:16,390
Navy or army much less Congress so

1186
00:47:20,180 --> 00:47:18,790
you've got these agencies and groups

1187
00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:20,190
that just go they do their own thing

1188
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:23,950
with apparently really no effective

1189
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:25,210
guidance from the office of the White

1190
00:47:27,810 --> 00:47:26,530
House after all the presidents got

1191
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:27,820
it's the babies he's got to shake the

1192
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:29,410
hands of the diplomats he's got all

1193
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,450
these things to do so he doesn't know he

1194
00:47:34,620 --> 00:47:33,280
doesn't know what's going on and they're

1195
00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:34,630
not going to tell him unless there was a

1196
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:36,790
need to know correct yeah it's almost

1197
00:47:43,890 --> 00:47:39,130
like with some independent state where

1198
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:43,900
the US president in that film is put in

1199
00:47:49,140 --> 00:47:46,450
a position where he says there's no area

1200
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:49,150
51 and then his Secretary of Defense or

1201
00:47:55,380 --> 00:47:53,200
something says that's exactly true

1202
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:55,390
well let's rewind the clock to the late

1203
00:47:59,490 --> 00:47:57,609
1940s and just look at this as it

1204
00:48:01,470 --> 00:47:59,500
probably evolved historically so like

1205
00:48:03,570 --> 00:48:01,480
you've got Harry Truman and you've got

1206
00:48:06,030 --> 00:48:03,580
his top guys around him and one of them

1207
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:06,040
comes to the president and informs him

1208
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:07,859
you know sir we have recovered

1209
00:48:11,790 --> 00:48:09,730
technology that does not appear to have

1210
00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:11,800
been manufactured by human hands human

1211
00:48:16,410 --> 00:48:13,960
civilization so let's just assume that

1212
00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:16,420
like Roswell happened many of us

1213
00:48:20,310 --> 00:48:17,950
believed it I believe it frase believes

1214
00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:20,320
it let me ask you parenthetically do you

1215
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,180
believe in a stick well I'm very excited

1216
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:24,640
about the Aztec case now I'm friends

1217
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:26,050
with Scott Ramsey who just recently

1218
00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:27,900
along with his wife Suzanne

1219
00:48:31,859 --> 00:48:30,190
reinvestigated yes that case that came

1220
00:48:33,420 --> 00:48:31,869
out in the book of course that we had

1221
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:33,430
him on the show we were the first show

1222
00:48:38,490 --> 00:48:35,890
to cover that book yeah I'm glad that

1223
00:48:41,070 --> 00:48:38,500
you guys did it I think I think that the

1224
00:48:42,660 --> 00:48:41,080
Aztec case could very well have some

1225
00:48:46,140 --> 00:48:42,670
truth to it the only problem is it's

1226
00:48:48,750 --> 00:48:46,150
we're now going so far ahead that was

1227
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:48,760
1948 unlike with Roswell and that

1228
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:50,530
investigation really got under way in

1229
00:48:55,290 --> 00:48:53,050
the late 70s that's 30 years with Aztec

1230
00:48:57,180 --> 00:48:55,300
it's much much longer and and I'm afraid

1231
00:48:59,040 --> 00:48:57,190
the trail may have gotten cold but I do

1232
00:49:01,260 --> 00:48:59,050
think Scott has made a reasonably good

1233
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:01,270
argument that Aztec did happen

1234
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:03,130
okay so he'd go back in time to the

1235
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:04,390
1940s

1236
00:49:09,089 --> 00:49:06,430
so the basic issue is this if you're the

1237
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:09,099
president you have to decide what do I

1238
00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:09,880
do

1239
00:49:15,930 --> 00:49:13,960
question for you and maybe you might

1240
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:15,940
want to but you'd have to think twice

1241
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:17,920
because if you tell the world it's not

1242
00:49:20,730 --> 00:49:19,390
simply telling the world that there's

1243
00:49:22,859 --> 00:49:20,740
these other beings

1244
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,869
no no it's telling the world that you've

1245
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:24,880
got some of their stuff and you've got

1246
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,770
it you've got a cold war happening you

1247
00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:28,000
have the Russians are you're afraid of

1248
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:29,369
you got all these other nations who are

1249
00:49:33,329 --> 00:49:32,170
wild cards in a sense and if you tell

1250
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:33,339
the world you've got this exotic

1251
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:35,050
technology it's going to become mighty

1252
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:38,050
hard not to share it it's easier to keep

1253
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:39,670
it secret if you pretend that you don't

1254
00:49:43,210 --> 00:49:40,310
have anything

1255
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:43,220
so ever and so what would Truman do well

1256
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:45,170
one of the things he would have to do is

1257
00:49:51,070 --> 00:49:49,040
to have scientists and contractors study

1258
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:51,080
this technology and if they're going to

1259
00:49:53,890 --> 00:49:52,400
do that you can't let Congress know

1260
00:49:55,570 --> 00:49:53,900
about it because if you tell Congress

1261
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,580
and you're telling the world so you have

1262
00:50:00,400 --> 00:49:58,400
to create a black budget situation you

1263
00:50:02,410 --> 00:50:00,410
must go X and extra-constitutional

1264
00:50:04,420 --> 00:50:02,420
manner if you're going to contain this

1265
00:50:06,310 --> 00:50:04,430
secret and you've got to privatize it

1266
00:50:07,780 --> 00:50:06,320
you've got to give it to the contractors

1267
00:50:09,490 --> 00:50:07,790
who really have got the chops to be able

1268
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:09,500
to study and replicate this stuff and

1269
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:12,160
now you've got this privatized

1270
00:50:18,190 --> 00:50:14,930
bureaucracy as it were that's very very

1271
00:50:21,070 --> 00:50:18,200
neat to know very very deep black and

1272
00:50:22,930 --> 00:50:21,080
the problem with you know keeping a

1273
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:22,940
secret like that is it it it becomes

1274
00:50:28,270 --> 00:50:25,130
profitable it develops its own momentum

1275
00:50:31,330 --> 00:50:28,280
does it also you make it possible rich

1276
00:50:34,020 --> 00:50:31,340
for the government to lose control over

1277
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,030
the years because it has been privatized

1278
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:36,800
which I think has happened I think

1279
00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:39,110
there's a very good case to make look at

1280
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:41,030
the US government today look at Barack

1281
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:42,890
Obama and his foreign policy just do

1282
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:45,770
people really believe that the president

1283
00:50:51,580 --> 00:50:49,070
is truly the guy in charge or the the

1284
00:50:53,710 --> 00:50:51,590
interest in powerful financial groups

1285
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:53,720
that essentially stand behind and put

1286
00:50:58,570 --> 00:50:55,610
him into the office not all of which are

1287
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:58,580
even American and and take that and look

1288
00:51:03,580 --> 00:51:02,000
at the UFO secret in this regard in this

1289
00:51:06,670 --> 00:51:03,590
context that I think is a more accurate

1290
00:51:08,770 --> 00:51:06,680
way to see this you've got groups that

1291
00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:08,780
stand behind and in fact in terms of the

1292
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:10,700
rumor mill which i think is fair to look

1293
00:51:15,850 --> 00:51:12,290
at at this point you've got a statement

1294
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:15,860
that's attributed to Ben rich when who's

1295
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:17,450
a former head of Lockheed skunkworks

1296
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:19,130
division and rich was talking about

1297
00:51:23,590 --> 00:51:21,650
Kelly Johnson his predecessor and mentor

1298
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,600
at Lockheed I will get and what that

1299
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:26,240
message is in a moment we have rich

1300
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:29,570
Dolan Bryce Abel the book is ad after

1301
00:51:36,830 --> 00:51:32,480
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1329
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00:53:14,829 --> 00:53:11,569
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1340
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1341
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:20,719
have Jean and Chris here and Chris was

1342
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:23,390
telling me that they're taking odds now

1343
00:53:28,269 --> 00:53:25,910
in Las Vegas on disclosure what's going

1344
00:53:30,910 --> 00:53:28,279
on here yeah evidently evidently they

1345
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are and this comes from online casinos

1346
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and the question is what are the odds

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that a US president will announce a

1348
00:53:41,019 --> 00:53:37,999
discovery of alien life from the Oval

1349
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:41,029
Office or in a way a form of disclosure

1350
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:42,529
and here are the odds

1351
00:53:55,870 --> 00:53:51,610
if this is gonna occur in 2012 the odds

1352
00:54:01,660 --> 00:53:55,880
are 16 to 1 2013 and 2014 and 2015 are

1353
00:54:05,620 --> 00:54:01,670
33 to 1 2016 and 17 or 25 to 1 2018 and

1354
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:05,630
19 or 20 2 to 1 and then after 2020 it's

1355
00:54:11,830 --> 00:54:08,960
2 to 1 oh so there you go I'd like to

1356
00:54:13,780 --> 00:54:11,840
know those are fun to hear and and

1357
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:13,790
certainly rich and I speculated about

1358
00:54:17,290 --> 00:54:15,890
that ourselves during our process but

1359
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:17,300
I'd like to know who came up with those

1360
00:54:21,550 --> 00:54:19,010
odds and I'd like to know what their

1361
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:21,560
experience really is this whole field

1362
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:23,930
because well obviously it's it's that's

1363
00:54:28,780 --> 00:54:26,210
good cocktail chatter but but I don't

1364
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:28,790
know that that's accurate I think the

1365
00:54:33,370 --> 00:54:31,130
point that rich is made and was was

1366
00:54:36,460 --> 00:54:33,380
making earlier about just the level of

1367
00:54:38,590 --> 00:54:36,470
technology that we live surrounded by

1368
00:54:40,450 --> 00:54:38,600
now the blanket of technology that we

1369
00:54:43,210 --> 00:54:40,460
didn't use to have that is available to

1370
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:43,220
average people the question may not be

1371
00:54:46,660 --> 00:54:44,960
even the right question anymore we're

1372
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:46,670
gradually moving from a place where the

1373
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:49,250
question is will somebody tell us

1374
00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:51,770
disclosure which would be the sort of

1375
00:54:56,590 --> 00:54:54,710
the top-down school but we may have more

1376
00:54:58,990 --> 00:54:56,600
of a grassroots disclosure going on

1377
00:55:01,390 --> 00:54:59,000
where the the people are going to be

1378
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,400
ahead of the disclosure and instead of

1379
00:55:06,190 --> 00:55:03,680
disclosure you might want to call what

1380
00:55:07,630 --> 00:55:06,200
happens in the future confirmation point

1381
00:55:09,220 --> 00:55:07,640
well-taken Bryce and I I think that's

1382
00:55:11,770 --> 00:55:09,230
really important that's a really

1383
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:11,780
important thing to note chances are if

1384
00:55:16,210 --> 00:55:14,240
if a form of disclosure happens I think

1385
00:55:18,070 --> 00:55:16,220
you guys mentioned this at the top of

1386
00:55:19,780 --> 00:55:18,080
the show the the government's hand is

1387
00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:19,790
gonna be for something will happen that

1388
00:55:24,820 --> 00:55:22,430
will force them to respond they have no

1389
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:24,830
motivation whoever's got the secret this

1390
00:55:29,470 --> 00:55:27,170
privatised ultra elite group let's just

1391
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:29,480
say they've got no motivation for giving

1392
00:55:35,110 --> 00:55:32,210
this up the secrets gone for so long

1393
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:35,120
all they can do is lose by revealing it

1394
00:55:38,350 --> 00:55:36,410
but the thing is they're not the only

1395
00:55:40,930 --> 00:55:38,360
factor in the equation that's the thing

1396
00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:40,940
well the factors in the equation also be

1397
00:55:43,210 --> 00:55:42,020
and I want to get back to what we're

1398
00:55:44,980 --> 00:55:43,220
talking about in the previous segment

1399
00:55:46,540 --> 00:55:44,990
with the history this thing the other

1400
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:46,550
factors would be the oil industry

1401
00:55:50,890 --> 00:55:48,850
certainly organized religion any

1402
00:55:54,010 --> 00:55:50,900
technology that's going to be disrupted

1403
00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:54,020
by the revelation we have this advanced

1404
00:55:59,110 --> 00:55:56,030
technology and the other question being

1405
00:56:00,180 --> 00:55:59,120
if we've recovered crash saucers it's a

1406
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:00,190
it's an

1407
00:56:05,250 --> 00:56:02,530
rmally complicated subject a lot of

1408
00:56:07,530 --> 00:56:05,260
moving parts and that's why we really

1409
00:56:10,020 --> 00:56:07,540
need to start almost with the definition

1410
00:56:12,329 --> 00:56:10,030
of terms what is disclosure you know for

1411
00:56:14,670 --> 00:56:12,339
our purposes we said disclosure was when

1412
00:56:16,859 --> 00:56:14,680
somebody in an in a position of

1413
00:56:19,020 --> 00:56:16,869
authority could be a president could be

1414
00:56:20,849 --> 00:56:19,030
a pope could be a UN secretary-general

1415
00:56:22,290 --> 00:56:20,859
could be the head of the Chinese

1416
00:56:25,050 --> 00:56:22,300
government doesn't really matter

1417
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,060
somebody who's in a in official position

1418
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:27,280
confirms that at least some of these

1419
00:56:31,290 --> 00:56:29,050
things that have been reported as

1420
00:56:34,650 --> 00:56:31,300
unidentified in the in the skies above

1421
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,660
us are not built by us and operated by

1422
00:56:39,059 --> 00:56:36,400
us but they are operated by somebody

1423
00:56:40,410 --> 00:56:39,069
else just that would be disclosure so I

1424
00:56:41,970 --> 00:56:40,420
thought it was kind of funny because

1425
00:56:44,010 --> 00:56:41,980
rich and I did put out an earlier

1426
00:56:46,109 --> 00:56:44,020
version of the book where our subtitle

1427
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:46,119
was ad after disclosure the people's

1428
00:56:50,579 --> 00:56:48,430
guide to life after contact because our

1429
00:56:52,650 --> 00:56:50,589
feeling was the people who will need to

1430
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:52,660
know most about it and they'll be the

1431
00:56:56,339 --> 00:56:54,609
ones handling it the governments and

1432
00:56:59,160 --> 00:56:56,349
we'll be forced our new publishers

1433
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,170
retitled that ad after disclosure when

1434
00:57:02,430 --> 00:57:01,119
the government finally reveals the truth

1435
00:57:04,589 --> 00:57:02,440
about alien contact

1436
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:04,599
look we're happy to sell books we think

1437
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:06,730
that's a great title to however that's

1438
00:57:10,349 --> 00:57:08,530
only one of the possibilities for how

1439
00:57:12,690 --> 00:57:10,359
disclosure is going to happen and how

1440
00:57:15,569 --> 00:57:12,700
we're gonna go from a B C world which is

1441
00:57:17,309 --> 00:57:15,579
before confirmation to an ad world which

1442
00:57:20,730 --> 00:57:17,319
is after disclosure and the other big

1443
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,740
question is here is what if eg lands

1444
00:57:24,359 --> 00:57:22,720
here and takes that out of our hands

1445
00:57:26,579 --> 00:57:24,369
rich you were talking earlier about the

1446
00:57:28,109 --> 00:57:26,589
early history that perhaps President

1447
00:57:29,790 --> 00:57:28,119
Truman knew what was going on this is

1448
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,800
when they recovered supposedly the

1449
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,079
wreckage at Roswell and maybe an Aztec

1450
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:34,240
what about Eisenhower he was very tight

1451
00:57:38,910 --> 00:57:36,220
in the military there so that President

1452
00:57:41,099 --> 00:57:38,920
Eisenhower know the truth at least while

1453
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:41,109
he was president yeah we're really going

1454
00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:43,089
on speculation and guesswork here with

1455
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:44,680
all of these of course so let's just say

1456
00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:47,890
that but I think with Eisenhower it

1457
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:50,550
certainly looks like he was briefed and

1458
00:57:55,650 --> 00:57:53,530
knew about this what you see during

1459
00:57:57,690 --> 00:57:55,660
Eisenhower's administration in a lot of

1460
00:58:00,000 --> 00:57:57,700
respects is that he appears to have lost

1461
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:00,010
control over the national security

1462
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:02,050
complex itself he certainly lost control

1463
00:58:05,730 --> 00:58:04,450
over the United States nuclear strike

1464
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:05,740
capability that's a whole different

1465
00:58:10,140 --> 00:58:08,079
topic we don't need to go into but he

1466
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:10,150
did he was actually shocked

1467
00:58:14,099 --> 00:58:11,920
I mean drew truly shocked and distressed

1468
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:14,109
in 1960 right at the end of

1469
00:58:17,309 --> 00:58:15,910
his presidency when he learned about how

1470
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:17,319
this um that whole was thing was going

1471
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:19,569
down is that why save that speech about

1472
00:58:24,329 --> 00:58:21,970
the military-industrial I think that III

1473
00:58:26,339 --> 00:58:24,339
think that the strike capability was a

1474
00:58:27,930 --> 00:58:26,349
big part of it that because he was he

1475
00:58:30,329 --> 00:58:27,940
was horrified when he discovered that

1476
00:58:32,370 --> 00:58:30,339
the u.s. plan was to literally to blow

1477
00:58:33,569 --> 00:58:32,380
the Soviet Union into pieces and an

1478
00:58:36,539 --> 00:58:33,579
entire half of the Western Hemisphere

1479
00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:36,549
was gonna go away he had no idea he had

1480
00:58:42,809 --> 00:58:38,980
absolutely no idea but I think regarding

1481
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:42,819
the UFO issue because this is a big hole

1482
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:44,710
in our official history of course it's

1483
00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:46,900
the biggest hole in our official history

1484
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:48,609
you've got this huge thing going on and

1485
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:50,890
yet there's no official confirmation

1486
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,960
about any of it so really what we have

1487
00:58:57,059 --> 00:58:54,640
to do is infer certain things

1488
00:58:59,400 --> 00:58:57,069
Eisenhower I think knew but how much

1489
00:59:01,650 --> 00:58:59,410
control he had I don't know with Kennedy

1490
00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:01,660
I think that there's there is reason to

1491
00:59:08,099 --> 00:59:03,940
believe that Kennedy knew about this as

1492
00:59:09,329 --> 00:59:08,109
well but and I personally am someone who

1493
00:59:12,779 --> 00:59:09,339
believes in the credibility of the

1494
00:59:15,150 --> 00:59:12,789
famous CIA Marilyn Monroe document where

1495
00:59:17,339 --> 00:59:15,160
this is dated the day before she died

1496
00:59:19,859 --> 00:59:17,349
was murdered in my opinion where it

1497
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:19,869
discusses her conversations as she had

1498
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:21,609
pillow talk with the president about

1499
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:22,930
beings from outer space

1500
00:59:27,630 --> 00:59:24,970
I mean Kennedy knew about this well

1501
00:59:30,779 --> 00:59:27,640
remember also gene the two-hour pilot

1502
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:30,789
film for dark skies is completely about

1503
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:32,710
how John Kennedy is going to tell the

1504
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:35,200
truth about UFOs in his second term and

1505
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:37,839
is stopped from doing that and that's

1506
00:59:42,210 --> 00:59:40,210
that's the entire pilot reason to

1507
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:42,220
actually believe in the real world that

1508
00:59:46,259 --> 00:59:44,049
that's what happened he was going to say

1509
00:59:49,289 --> 00:59:46,269
something about UFOs in his second term

1510
00:59:51,059 --> 00:59:49,299
so with the help of Johnson they got rid

1511
00:59:53,009 --> 00:59:51,069
of him well let me let me just let I'm

1512
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:53,019
gonna let rich answer the state of what

1513
00:59:56,729 --> 00:59:54,910
we know but I will say that when when

1514
00:59:59,789 --> 00:59:56,739
Brent Friedman my co-creator and I

1515
01:00:03,150 --> 00:59:59,799
dreamed that up for dark skies in 1994

1516
01:00:05,579 --> 01:00:03,160
and 1995 we basically were trying to

1517
01:00:07,950 --> 01:00:05,589
create the unified field theory of

1518
01:00:09,569 --> 01:00:07,960
conspiracy so we said let's take UFOs

1519
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:09,579
and John F Kennedy

1520
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:11,650
and let's put them in an atom collider

1521
01:00:16,259 --> 01:00:13,839
and see what we get and what we got was

1522
01:00:19,229 --> 01:00:16,269
the dark skies pilot in the Year sense

1523
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:19,239
I've seen more and more material talking

1524
01:00:22,289 --> 01:00:20,710
about how that might have happened but I

1525
01:00:24,930 --> 01:00:22,299
was not aware of it at the time and I

1526
01:00:26,670 --> 01:00:24,940
think rich now you you said you do you

1527
01:00:28,530 --> 01:00:26,680
do believe that it actually is a

1528
01:00:30,330 --> 01:00:28,540
possibility I do

1529
01:00:32,310 --> 01:00:30,340
I don't wanna go too far afield but this

1530
01:00:34,410 --> 01:00:32,320
is fascinating with Kennedy it's like

1531
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:34,420
with the Agatha Christie murder mystery

1532
01:00:37,650 --> 01:00:35,770
or raid on the Murder on the Orient

1533
01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:37,660
Express where like everyone did it

1534
01:00:42,510 --> 01:00:40,390
everyone killed the guy and in Kennedy's

1535
01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:42,520
case I think everyone had a motive you

1536
01:00:46,590 --> 01:00:44,230
know there were so many reasons why why

1537
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:46,600
Kennedy was a problem but I think the

1538
01:00:51,420 --> 01:00:49,510
UFO issue is probably a factor in here I

1539
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,430
I think the reason he was taken out is

1540
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:53,680
simply because it became clear that he

1541
01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:56,410
was not a reliable player on so many

1542
01:01:01,320 --> 01:00:58,450
fronts but I think it was perceived that

1543
01:01:03,450 --> 01:01:01,330
he was a true enemy to the established

1544
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:03,460
order and that he he had to go so I

1545
01:01:08,430 --> 01:01:05,920
think my sense is that it wasn't just

1546
01:01:10,350 --> 01:01:08,440
over Cuba it wasn't just over the Fed it

1547
01:01:12,450 --> 01:01:10,360
wasn't just over Vietnam it wasn't just

1548
01:01:14,250 --> 01:01:12,460
over UFOs it was over all of these

1549
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:14,260
things when someone just said this guy

1550
01:01:17,970 --> 01:01:16,480
is a serious problem the hell with him

1551
01:01:19,470 --> 01:01:17,980
let's get rid of him we then also

1552
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:19,480
explained what would have happened to

1553
01:01:22,770 --> 01:01:21,850
Robert Kennedy because he was Jack's

1554
01:01:25,590 --> 01:01:22,780
right-hand man

1555
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:25,600
well Robert Kennedy was a main character

1556
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:27,370
in dark skies appears in six episodes

1557
01:01:32,550 --> 01:01:30,880
and we think so we had Kennedy being the

1558
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:32,560
guy that hands a piece of Roswell

1559
01:01:37,230 --> 01:01:35,410
wreckage to JFK and thus getting him

1560
01:01:38,430 --> 01:01:37,240
killed but you know that's a drama I

1561
01:01:41,010 --> 01:01:38,440
just wanted to add one thing in your

1562
01:01:43,650 --> 01:01:41,020
well that you had mentioned you said if

1563
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:43,660
et were to land here that would make all

1564
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:45,490
bets off I just want to put one thing

1565
01:01:49,290 --> 01:01:47,650
out there there is one thing you know

1566
01:01:50,790 --> 01:01:49,300
Ritz said we have to infer a lot of

1567
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:50,800
things there is one thing that we should

1568
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:53,110
definitely infer if there is one thing

1569
01:01:58,680 --> 01:01:55,810
that the secret keepers and the others

1570
01:02:00,780 --> 01:01:58,690
have agreed on for six or seven decades

1571
01:02:03,450 --> 01:02:00,790
and maybe longer it is that it ought to

1572
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:03,460
be a secret because both sides are

1573
01:02:08,310 --> 01:02:06,010
secret keepers and the others have had

1574
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:08,320
it within their ability and technology

1575
01:02:13,950 --> 01:02:11,730
and do ability to end the whole thing

1576
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:13,960
publicly whenever they wanted to we

1577
01:02:16,770 --> 01:02:15,250
could have called the news conference

1578
01:02:19,530 --> 01:02:16,780
and said by the way they're here and

1579
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:19,540
they could have done a big flyby that

1580
01:02:23,850 --> 01:02:21,970
was incontrovertible evidence and they

1581
01:02:26,910 --> 01:02:23,860
haven't done that so we know for sure

1582
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:26,920
that secrecy seems to be the one point

1583
01:02:32,490 --> 01:02:29,770
of agreement in the Venn diagram that

1584
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:32,500
includes the others and the managers of

1585
01:02:36,990 --> 01:02:34,930
the secret we have rice Zabel we have

1586
01:02:38,060 --> 01:02:37,000
Richard Dolan with Gene and Kris you're

1587
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:38,070
in the

1588
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:40,250
your caste

1589
01:02:53,610 --> 01:02:50,910
Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

1590
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:53,620
out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

1591
01:02:58,260 --> 01:02:55,920
relentless perplexing nightmares

1592
01:03:00,180 --> 01:02:58,270
nightmares of a horrific battle in deep

1593
01:03:02,460 --> 01:03:00,190
space and of a mysterious woman

1594
01:03:05,610 --> 01:03:02,470
suffering an agony for her devastated

1595
01:03:09,620 --> 01:03:05,620
world a woman not yet born calling

1596
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:09,630
across centuries to him then a

1597
01:03:15,780 --> 01:03:12,250
coincidence leads him to his destiny his

1598
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:15,790
chance to alter the universe attacted of

1599
01:03:19,980 --> 01:03:17,770
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Coalition for freedom of information and

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you are listening to the podcast

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the book is ad after disclosure what

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might happen and how the secrets being

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kept with Brice Sabol and Richard Olin

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01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:09,049
authors of the book now either if you

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01:07:14,140 --> 01:07:11,650
can take this response and that is

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01:07:16,210 --> 01:07:14,150
whistleblowers would you think in the 70

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01:07:19,089 --> 01:07:16,220
years there's some whistleblowers around

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01:07:21,220 --> 01:07:19,099
who have disclosed a secret do you just

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01:07:23,769 --> 01:07:21,230
make them look like idiots or do you

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01:07:26,289 --> 01:07:23,779
have like a rich dhoti come in there and

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01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:26,299
spread some misinformation to hide

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01:07:31,089 --> 01:07:28,160
what's really going on yeah exactly

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01:07:34,510 --> 01:07:31,099
there there's been no shortage of of

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01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:34,520
people over the decades who have had

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01:07:40,359 --> 01:07:37,760
very very profound revelations about

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01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:40,369
this topic and they're credible I think

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01:07:44,220 --> 01:07:42,410
when a lot of researchers have

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01:07:46,450 --> 01:07:44,230
interviewed many of these individuals

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01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:46,460
many of them do appear credible I've

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01:07:51,339 --> 01:07:48,529
interviewed some Brice's interview some

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01:07:53,950 --> 01:07:51,349
I think what happened is in the late 70s

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01:07:57,099 --> 01:07:53,960
is when the disinformation spin really

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01:07:58,990 --> 01:07:57,109
got underway and honestly it was to to

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01:08:00,700 --> 01:07:59,000
fight that a two-pronged attack on

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01:08:03,549 --> 01:08:00,710
secrecy that was taking place at that

1723
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:03,559
time one was the the newly energized

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01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:06,049
Freedom of Information Act which prior

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01:08:11,740 --> 01:08:09,049
to 1975-76 was really a nonentity

1726
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:11,750
in the UFO field and after that period

1727
01:08:15,999 --> 01:08:13,849
became very big really during the Carter

1728
01:08:18,130 --> 01:08:16,009
years so it became possible to petition

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01:08:20,890 --> 01:08:18,140
the government for UFO related documents

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01:08:23,890 --> 01:08:20,900
and seize you forget but at the time

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01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:23,900
this was a huge huge thing because all

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01:08:27,519 --> 01:08:25,730
the government agencies for years they

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01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:27,529
said no no we don't do UFOs it's not our

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01:08:31,599 --> 01:08:29,330
purview we don't and then suddenly

1735
01:08:33,039 --> 01:08:31,609
thousands of pages of documents come out

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01:08:35,070 --> 01:08:33,049
showing that all of that was an absolute

1737
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:35,080
lie and in fact some of those documents

1738
01:08:40,329 --> 01:08:38,239
showed the situation in a very grave

1739
01:08:42,099 --> 01:08:40,339
light indeed so you've got that as a

1740
01:08:45,450 --> 01:08:42,109
threat to the secrecy and on the other

1741
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:45,460
prong you have the crash retrieval

1742
01:08:50,530 --> 01:08:48,319
phenomenon that was then just coming out

1743
01:08:53,010 --> 01:08:50,540
most famously Roswell but not only

1744
01:08:55,930 --> 01:08:53,020
Roswell there were leaks about

1745
01:08:58,629 --> 01:08:55,940
individuals who had seen films of alien

1746
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:58,639
autopsies all this in the late 70s there

1747
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:01,520
were leaks about by doctors who claimed

1748
01:09:07,580 --> 01:09:03,930
to have performed an autopsy

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01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:07,590
or autopsies so all of these were we're

1750
01:09:11,660 --> 01:09:10,170
coming out so if you're the on the

1751
01:09:14,540 --> 01:09:11,670
inside if you're in with the in crowd

1752
01:09:16,310 --> 01:09:14,550
and you've got to contain this then yes

1753
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:16,320
you you need to have some kind of

1754
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:18,210
disinformation out there you need to

1755
01:09:22,610 --> 01:09:20,610
throw some truth out there mix with lies

1756
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:22,620
that become very easy to identify lies

1757
01:09:27,050 --> 01:09:24,570
and then you just you know tar the whole

1758
01:09:29,480 --> 01:09:27,060
field with this and I think that is this

1759
01:09:31,460 --> 01:09:29,490
happened Jean a lot of this goes back to

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again a definitional thing what is

1761
01:09:37,190 --> 01:09:33,570
evidence and evidence isn't what it used

1762
01:09:38,660 --> 01:09:37,200
to be photos in the 50s were better

1763
01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:38,670
evidence because the only way that you

1764
01:09:42,890 --> 01:09:40,920
could actually fake it you had to throw

1765
01:09:45,980 --> 01:09:42,900
that hubcap in the air or suspended my

1766
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:45,990
piece the string and and but you didn't

1767
01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:48,690
have Photoshop we have fantastic fakes

1768
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,510
right now in both video and in photos

1769
01:09:55,940 --> 01:09:53,520
that are out there documents aren't what

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01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:55,950
they used to be documents can be faked

1771
01:10:00,740 --> 01:09:57,930
and and people do that all the time I've

1772
01:10:03,020 --> 01:10:00,750
done it for dark skies decree documents

1773
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:03,030
that would be on the show for example I

1774
01:10:07,580 --> 01:10:05,250
think the thing that we when we talk

1775
01:10:09,470 --> 01:10:07,590
about whistleblowers it would be great

1776
01:10:11,060 --> 01:10:09,480
if the WikiLeaks could be counted upon

1777
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:11,070
to do this and in fact they talked about

1778
01:10:15,740 --> 01:10:13,860
having UFO documents but my knowledge

1779
01:10:16,940 --> 01:10:15,750
they never produced them and and even if

1780
01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:16,950
they did I wonder what it would mean

1781
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:18,780
because let me just ask a hypothetical

1782
01:10:23,870 --> 01:10:21,450
here let's say that George Herbert

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01:10:26,930 --> 01:10:23,880
Walker Bush Bush the first is on his

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01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:26,940
deathbed soon and I don't wish him ill

1785
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:29,610
at all but eventually he's going to be

1786
01:10:34,580 --> 01:10:31,920
called because he's at that age let's

1787
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:34,590
say he's on his deathbed or : powell and

1788
01:10:38,570 --> 01:10:36,570
someone else who's getting up in years

1789
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:38,580
and let's say that either of those

1790
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:41,730
people who had extreme classification

1791
01:10:45,050 --> 01:10:43,290
bush being the head of the CIA and

1792
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:45,060
implying that he's known something about

1793
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:47,250
ufos let's say that either one of them

1794
01:10:51,260 --> 01:10:49,110
said and by the way i just want to get

1795
01:10:53,540 --> 01:10:51,270
this off my chest before i die that

1796
01:10:54,500 --> 01:10:53,550
whole UFO thing that's all real you

1797
01:10:56,180 --> 01:10:54,510
should check it out

1798
01:10:57,650 --> 01:10:56,190
would that solve the issue would it

1799
01:10:59,960 --> 01:10:57,660
would it i don't think so i think what

1800
01:11:02,450 --> 01:10:59,970
would happen is instantly there would be

1801
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:02,460
a whole spin about how George Herbert

1802
01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:05,250
Walker Bush wasn't himself anymore he

1803
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:08,310
was in some kind of dementia situation

1804
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:10,800
and people put this into his head and it

1805
01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:13,410
would be rolled over again we've had all

1806
01:11:17,959 --> 01:11:15,510
kinds of great people blow the whistle

1807
01:11:19,850 --> 01:11:17,969
Edgar Mitchell is the bravest man

1808
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:19,860
to land Apollo 14 on the moon after

1809
01:11:24,739 --> 01:11:22,110
Apollo 13 nearly didn't make it back and

1810
01:11:26,930 --> 01:11:24,749
he doesn't get treated seriously so I

1811
01:11:28,580 --> 01:11:26,940
wonder about whistleblowers if it's

1812
01:11:30,979 --> 01:11:28,590
gonna be a whistleblower he's gonna have

1813
01:11:33,469 --> 01:11:30,989
to come forward with the documents with

1814
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:33,479
the photos with the corroboration and

1815
01:11:39,229 --> 01:11:36,239
with other people before the mainstream

1816
01:11:41,029 --> 01:11:39,239
media will take that seriously I have a

1817
01:11:43,339 --> 01:11:41,039
question here what about other

1818
01:11:45,549 --> 01:11:43,349
governments it stands to reason that the

1819
01:11:49,279 --> 01:11:45,559
you know the old Soviet Union Russia

1820
01:11:50,589 --> 01:11:49,289
possibly China possibly Brazil is

1821
01:11:53,629 --> 01:11:50,599
sitting on some pretty incredible

1822
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:53,639
evidence and what are the what do you

1823
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:55,050
guys think of the odds of one of these

1824
01:12:00,410 --> 01:11:57,210
governments instead of doing this kind

1825
01:12:01,850 --> 01:12:00,420
of whitewashing incremental disclosure

1826
01:12:04,339 --> 01:12:01,860
that we've been seeing for the past ten

1827
01:12:06,859 --> 01:12:04,349
years what if we have a major

1828
01:12:09,709 --> 01:12:06,869
whistleblower you know spill the beans

1829
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,719
from Brazil or from from Russia what is

1830
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,760
the likelihood that happen it's

1831
01:12:14,689 --> 01:12:13,199
something I wonder about Maurice and I

1832
01:12:17,779 --> 01:12:14,699
both have discussed this this is in our

1833
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:17,789
book - it's a possibility for sure but

1834
01:12:21,529 --> 01:12:19,860
if you were to be that like that

1835
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:21,539
government let's say you're Brazil and

1836
01:12:25,549 --> 01:12:24,090
you make the decision that you're gonna

1837
01:12:27,229 --> 01:12:25,559
be the one to tell the world you'd

1838
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:27,239
better be very careful about it because

1839
01:12:32,180 --> 01:12:29,130
you can be sure that the United States

1840
01:12:35,899 --> 01:12:32,190
has its own Intel assets and his own

1841
01:12:37,370 --> 01:12:35,909
espionage on you there's no way that

1842
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:37,380
you're gonna be able to make this

1843
01:12:42,140 --> 01:12:40,320
decision and not be at risk of the

1844
01:12:44,629 --> 01:12:42,150
National Security Agency knowing about

1845
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,639
it because their ears are everywhere now

1846
01:12:48,589 --> 01:12:46,320
would that mean therefore that

1847
01:12:50,689 --> 01:12:48,599
occasionally our security people go to

1848
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:50,699
possible loose cannons and remind them

1849
01:12:56,540 --> 01:12:53,280
that they would be much safer if they

1850
01:12:58,100 --> 01:12:56,550
didn't disclose the secret well yeah I

1851
01:13:00,680 --> 01:12:58,110
mean when when there have been known

1852
01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:00,690
crash retreat list this there was a kid

1853
01:13:08,959 --> 01:13:05,880
a UFO that went down over Bolivia in the

1854
01:13:10,819 --> 01:13:08,969
year 1978 and we know about this we have

1855
01:13:14,180 --> 01:13:10,829
some documents about it and and we know

1856
01:13:16,879 --> 01:13:14,190
that the Bolivians sent a military team

1857
01:13:20,270 --> 01:13:16,889
to investigate it and we also know gee

1858
01:13:24,919 --> 01:13:20,280
whiz that two key American officers

1859
01:13:26,899 --> 01:13:24,929
advisers went on site and appear to have

1860
01:13:28,879 --> 01:13:26,909
taken control of the whole operation

1861
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:28,889
so that here you have you know another

1862
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:30,690
nation where some something important

1863
01:13:34,700 --> 01:13:31,890
goes but they're coming

1864
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:34,710
Americans so the United States military

1865
01:13:39,770 --> 01:13:36,570
complex is always been first among

1866
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:39,780
equals among its allies always and I

1867
01:13:43,820 --> 01:13:42,090
think on an international basis this is

1868
01:13:47,660 --> 01:13:43,830
the case now but with other nations like

1869
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:47,670
Russia with China even maybe with India

1870
01:13:52,970 --> 01:13:49,290
for all we know or Brazil some of these

1871
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:52,980
nations are big enough that they can

1872
01:13:58,840 --> 01:13:55,520
legitimately be considered rivals

1873
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:58,850
possibly in some of these matters and

1874
01:14:04,190 --> 01:14:01,280
what type of behind-the-scenes

1875
01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:04,200
relationships there are well we don't

1876
01:14:09,410 --> 01:14:06,060
really know but there are some stories

1877
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:09,420
that have come through that indicate

1878
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:11,970
that there is some level of quiet

1879
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:14,400
collaboration behind the scenes and the

1880
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:15,930
real question is are the governments

1881
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themselves the official governments even

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the ones really in charge of this well

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you know there may be quiet competition

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as well I just also want to point out

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Leslie Kane wrote a fabulous book a year

1886
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or two ago where basically she's putting

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out the the testimony of various people

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from around the world who have been in

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fact whistleblowers and that in blow the

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lid off the whole thing I remain

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convinced that it's possible that what

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will break the log jam is another

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government making moves toward

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disclosure because of because of reasons

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that make sense to them and if the

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United States gets a hold of that I

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would think our first thing would be to

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try to get them to back down but you

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can't necessarily get Brazil or China to

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back down you might have to go first and

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would it be possible here for all these

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separate parties to at one time in the

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past gotten together and say you know

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what we have to have one policy whatever

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differences we have we've got to have a

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singular policy about UFOs so that they

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don't as they say release the truth

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we'll get into more of possible truths

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about UFOs and disclosure with Bryce

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hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

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01:20:05,910 --> 01:19:57,130
parrot cast and it's as good as it gets

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01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:05,920
believe me we're talking about the book

2018
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:08,770
ad after disclosure with Brice Sabol and

2019
01:20:13,169 --> 01:20:10,480
Richard Dolan with gene and Chris on the

2020
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:13,179
para cast and one of the things I

2021
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:15,850
suggested as a hypothetical strictly

2022
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:18,370
hypothetical is it possible at different

2023
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:21,370
governments around the world did say in

2024
01:20:27,149 --> 01:20:24,130
the late 40s early 50s get together and

2025
01:20:29,250 --> 01:20:27,159
say look this secret is too much for one

2026
01:20:30,689 --> 01:20:29,260
government we've got to work together

2027
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:30,699
to keep the secret and I think you know

2028
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:33,489
that necessarily Russia was involved but

2029
01:20:38,370 --> 01:20:36,159
say the US and the UK things like that

2030
01:20:40,919 --> 01:20:38,380
yeah I think that's very likely you look

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01:20:42,959 --> 01:20:40,929
at the formation of NATO in 1949 you

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01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:42,969
already have a fairly unified military

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01:20:48,899 --> 01:20:46,210
command structure that early on among

2034
01:20:51,330 --> 01:20:48,909
the the powerful military European

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01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:51,340
Western nations so you've got blows

2036
01:20:55,860 --> 01:20:54,250
military collaboration right from the

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01:20:58,050 --> 01:20:55,870
beginning so I think it makes perfect

2038
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:58,060
sense that the UFL matter would be

2039
01:21:03,570 --> 01:21:01,440
considered you know I'm I look at this

2040
01:21:05,010 --> 01:21:03,580
well from a lot of different points of

2041
01:21:06,930 --> 01:21:05,020
view I guess but one of them is being a

2042
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:06,940
dramatist I'm better at thinking a

2043
01:21:12,419 --> 01:21:09,280
scenario through let's let's imagine for

2044
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:12,429
example we've seen all these airport

2045
01:21:17,790 --> 01:21:14,530
closings in China alright so let's

2046
01:21:19,890 --> 01:21:17,800
imagine that some UFO of some kind is

2047
01:21:21,780 --> 01:21:19,900
hovering over a Chinese airport and they

2048
01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:21,790
shut it down what would be their first

2049
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:24,310
thought well if it's not theirs if the

2050
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:26,050
Chinese know it's not theirs they would

2051
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:28,719
probably think it was ours so they'd be

2052
01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:31,120
pretty upset with us if it turned out

2053
01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:33,070
that our president got briefed on that

2054
01:21:38,010 --> 01:21:35,800
and said well whose is it and they and

2055
01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:38,020
our guys had to tell our president it's

2056
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:40,840
not ours then suddenly the idea that

2057
01:21:44,939 --> 01:21:42,610
something is over a Chinese Airport

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01:21:46,890 --> 01:21:44,949
that's not the u.s. manufacturer and not

2059
01:21:48,570 --> 01:21:46,900
that Chinese manufacturers out there in

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01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:48,580
the world and the Chinese could

2061
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:50,050
independently come to their own

2062
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,210
conclusion that it does them no good to

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01:21:55,979 --> 01:21:54,639
protect us and they might as well share

2064
01:21:57,629 --> 01:21:55,989
their feelings about it because they

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01:21:59,490 --> 01:21:57,639
look at things differently which would

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01:22:01,740 --> 01:21:59,500
then cause us in the chess game of

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01:22:03,130 --> 01:22:01,750
disclosure to have to think about what

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01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:03,140
we thought about it so

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01:22:06,190 --> 01:22:04,850
I think what rich and I is we went back

2070
01:22:08,410 --> 01:22:06,200
and forth over this year-long

2071
01:22:10,780 --> 01:22:08,420
development process with a lot of these

2072
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:10,790
things we came to the conclusion of it

2073
01:22:16,030 --> 01:22:13,210
depends there's going to be a scenario

2074
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:16,040
somehow someway that's going to involve

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01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:17,840
everything that we've talked about and

2076
01:22:21,820 --> 01:22:19,120
then a few other things from

2077
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:21,830
whistleblowers to documents to actual

2078
01:22:28,570 --> 01:22:24,650
sightings to foreign governments etc and

2079
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:28,580
that stew of news and and technology and

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01:22:34,420 --> 01:22:31,130
and secrecy is all gonna come together

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01:22:37,060 --> 01:22:34,430
at some point someday somehow and yield

2082
01:22:38,830 --> 01:22:37,070
the truth because it really can't do

2083
01:22:40,330 --> 01:22:38,840
anything other than that you can't you

2084
01:22:42,190 --> 01:22:40,340
can't have all those things going and

2085
01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:42,200
have it lead to secrecy because we've

2086
01:22:46,180 --> 01:22:44,450
had secrecy it's gonna lead to something

2087
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:46,190
different that's the nature of history

2088
01:22:50,620 --> 01:22:48,290
let me add one thing here because I mean

2089
01:22:52,150 --> 01:22:50,630
there's so many ad after disclosure

2090
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:52,160
issues I'm sure we all want to discuss

2091
01:22:56,260 --> 01:22:54,320
but in terms of ending the secret I

2092
01:22:58,690 --> 01:22:56,270
would just suggest that we look at the

2093
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:58,700
we look at the very big picture and the

2094
01:23:03,730 --> 01:23:01,520
very big picture is the technological

2095
01:23:06,910 --> 01:23:03,740
and social and political trajectories

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01:23:09,550 --> 01:23:06,920
that we are on as a society go back 150

2097
01:23:11,290 --> 01:23:09,560
years and look at human civilization

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01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:11,300
look at the most advanced part of human

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01:23:16,750 --> 01:23:14,090
civilization and you'll see a society of

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01:23:19,150 --> 01:23:16,760
horses and wooden carpets and railroads

2101
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:19,160
that's where we were and we go from that

2102
01:23:25,810 --> 01:23:23,330
situation to one in really the blink of

2103
01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:25,820
a cosmic eye essentially where we have

2104
01:23:32,650 --> 01:23:28,910
this complete kind of connectivity with

2105
01:23:35,170 --> 01:23:32,660
iPhones and Facebook and YouTube and the

2106
01:23:36,670 --> 01:23:35,180
new MacBook Pro is coming out and we're

2107
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:36,680
just blowing ourselves out of the water

2108
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:39,170
every few years with new technology you

2109
01:23:42,490 --> 01:23:41,210
go and look into the future if you

2110
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:42,500
chorist for a moment here and look at

2111
01:23:45,220 --> 01:23:43,970
what a lot of these guys are saying

2112
01:23:47,890 --> 01:23:45,230
about the future of artificial

2113
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:47,900
intelligence we are or buy a lot of

2114
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:49,850
those estimates one to two generations

2115
01:23:54,330 --> 01:23:52,400
away from your computer being able to

2116
01:23:56,740 --> 01:23:54,340
have a fully intelligent sentient

2117
01:23:58,900 --> 01:23:56,750
conversation with you and maybe even

2118
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:58,910
more intelligently than a normal human

2119
01:24:03,460 --> 01:24:00,800
being so you might have computers with a

2120
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:03,470
relative IQ of 200 or 300 or more for

2121
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:05,450
all we know and this is not make-believe

2122
01:24:10,150 --> 01:24:07,840
fantasy this is you've got brilliant

2123
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:10,160
computer scientists who really believe

2124
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:12,410
that this is about to happen if that is

2125
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:14,410
the case and then all of the other

2126
01:24:16,750 --> 01:24:16,130
developments that we're going to be

2127
01:24:20,049 --> 01:24:16,760
having and that

2128
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:20,059
2030 years can we really think honestly

2129
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:22,010
that we are not going to be any farther

2130
01:24:26,379 --> 01:24:24,800
along in cracking this nut than we are

2131
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:26,389
today I think that's ridiculous to think

2132
01:24:30,220 --> 01:24:27,679
that we're gonna be in the same place

2133
01:24:32,830 --> 01:24:30,230
we've been talking about WikiLeaks wiki

2134
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:32,840
leakage which did not exist 10 years ago

2135
01:24:36,850 --> 01:24:35,090
because it couldn't exist 10 years ago

2136
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:36,860
there was no global infrastructure for

2137
01:24:39,339 --> 01:24:37,130
it

2138
01:24:42,299 --> 01:24:39,349
but there is now and you look at the

2139
01:24:44,830 --> 01:24:42,309
event this week with the WWDC from Apple

2140
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:44,840
incorporated everything they work for

2141
01:24:50,109 --> 01:24:47,840
was the interconnectedness of all their

2142
01:24:53,109 --> 01:24:50,119
hundreds of millions of devices online

2143
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:53,119
with Facebook with Twitter all this

2144
01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:55,280
integration with cars they've got nine

2145
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:57,920
automakers now gonna stick siri the

2146
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:00,800
talking personal assistant gonna be in

2147
01:25:05,049 --> 01:25:03,170
your car so everybody's gonna happen

2148
01:25:07,209 --> 01:25:05,059
these are the largest car makers on the

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01:25:08,919 --> 01:25:07,219
planet are going to incorporate this I

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01:25:12,129 --> 01:25:08,929
had a question which kind of goes back

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01:25:14,169 --> 01:25:12,139
to the early supposed recoveries of

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01:25:17,319 --> 01:25:14,179
wreckage and that is alien technology

2153
01:25:19,359 --> 01:25:17,329
now we have that book the day after

2154
01:25:22,899 --> 01:25:19,369
Roswell which is very very controversial

2155
01:25:25,419 --> 01:25:22,909
from Colonel Corso but the argument that

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01:25:28,299 --> 01:25:25,429
is if we recovered something from an

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01:25:30,759 --> 01:25:28,309
advanced civilization back in the 1940s

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01:25:33,580 --> 01:25:30,769
is there any evidence anywhere that

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01:25:34,779 --> 01:25:33,590
we've learned anything from it yes I

2160
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:34,789
think I don't know what we would

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01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:36,650
consider evidence here gene it's a fair

2162
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:38,449
question but I think the likelihood

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01:25:43,950 --> 01:25:40,880
course of himself claimed that a number

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01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:43,960
of developments came out of those

2165
01:25:48,669 --> 01:25:46,489
original crash retrieval he talked about

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01:25:51,580 --> 01:25:48,679
fiber optics I believe he talked about

2167
01:25:52,930 --> 01:25:51,590
high tensile fibres trying to remember

2168
01:25:55,689 --> 01:25:52,940
he might have mentioned lasers

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01:25:58,540 --> 01:25:55,699
technology I think all of this is is

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01:26:00,399 --> 01:25:58,550
realistic actually I would also add

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01:26:02,410 --> 01:26:00,409
improvements to integrated circuits and

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01:26:04,779 --> 01:26:02,420
maybe solid-state technology would

2173
01:26:06,939 --> 01:26:04,789
probably be along that as well I mean

2174
01:26:09,729 --> 01:26:06,949
but partly the problem has been rich is

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01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:09,739
that you can show a parallel realistic

2176
01:26:14,350 --> 01:26:11,690
development path of all these

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01:26:16,509 --> 01:26:14,360
technologies here on earth without the

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01:26:18,580 --> 01:26:16,519
possibility of alien intervention or did

2179
01:26:21,459 --> 01:26:18,590
they basically go back and change

2180
01:26:23,470 --> 01:26:21,469
history I think the latter actually you

2181
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:23,480
can go into the history of the

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01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:25,760
transistor into doing a Wikipedia and

2183
01:26:30,220 --> 01:26:28,239
you'll see a very sort of logical

2184
01:26:32,290 --> 01:26:30,230
history of that or even to

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01:26:34,450 --> 01:26:32,300
grated circuits same thing and there's

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01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:34,460
no reference of course to Roswell right

2187
01:26:40,030 --> 01:26:37,250
it's all explained here but but really

2188
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:40,040
think about it if Bell Labs were one of

2189
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:42,880
the earliest contractors involved in

2190
01:26:48,460 --> 01:26:46,610
studying Roswell tech how unlikely is it

2191
01:26:51,450 --> 01:26:48,470
that certain ideas would have been

2192
01:26:53,410 --> 01:26:51,460
developed there that would then be

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01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:53,420
translated into patents and

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01:26:57,130 --> 01:26:55,130
profitability and of course they're not

2195
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:57,140
gonna mention that they get this from

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01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:00,080
some highly exotic source that you know

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01:27:02,979 --> 01:27:01,730
you're not supposed to talk about and it

2198
01:27:05,140 --> 01:27:02,989
doesn't mean that they duplicated

2199
01:27:07,300 --> 01:27:05,150
Roswell technology obviously if you've

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01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:07,310
got this very advanced piece of tech

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01:27:11,140 --> 01:27:09,530
that you've been you've got your 10 most

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01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:11,150
brilliant scientists looking at for a

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01:27:14,710 --> 01:27:13,010
few years they may not be able to

2204
01:27:16,750 --> 01:27:14,720
duplicate its properties but they might

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01:27:19,390 --> 01:27:16,760
get some really good ideas out of that

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01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:19,400
process and so you've got innovation in

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01:27:22,990 --> 01:27:20,960
that regard and that's certainly not

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01:27:25,180 --> 01:27:23,000
going to translate into a Wikipedia

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01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:25,190
entry now in the case of kernel course

2210
01:27:30,340 --> 01:27:27,890
so the problem I have is that those who

2211
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:30,350
are skeptical of him will show chapter

2212
01:27:34,270 --> 01:27:32,000
and verse why maybe he exaggerated his

2213
01:27:36,100 --> 01:27:34,280
credentials maybe there were things in

2214
01:27:38,620 --> 01:27:36,110
the way the book was edited by the

2215
01:27:41,950 --> 01:27:38,630
co-author on named oh yeah right right

2216
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:41,960
that's kind of well now we mentioned him

2217
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:44,570
but the point being that they not

2218
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:46,370
mention bill birnes excuse me I just

2219
01:27:51,700 --> 01:27:49,010
don't know why why would we are we all

2220
01:27:54,130 --> 01:27:51,710
responsible for whatever we write I mean

2221
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:54,140
why would we not mention him well I

2222
01:27:57,250 --> 01:27:55,610
think we're just being because of the

2223
01:27:58,780 --> 01:27:57,260
feeling that maybe he embellished a

2224
01:28:02,710 --> 01:27:58,790
little bit of the book but let's point

2225
01:28:04,750 --> 01:28:02,720
out what we mean did he absolutely I had

2226
01:28:06,850 --> 01:28:04,760
a discussion with Bill about this

2227
01:28:08,650 --> 01:28:06,860
because he and I indirectly had some

2228
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:08,660
words on this matter a number of years

2229
01:28:14,260 --> 01:28:11,930
ago where I I had overtly I just stated

2230
01:28:17,020 --> 01:28:14,270
that I mean everything points to the

2231
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:17,030
fact that he really got this book out

2232
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:18,890
really to get it out for the 50th

2233
01:28:21,340 --> 01:28:20,810
anniversary was Roswell the book wasn't

2234
01:28:23,650 --> 01:28:21,350
ready

2235
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:23,660
it was littered with mistakes you can't

2236
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:25,280
blame them on course of course I was in

2237
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:29,090
his 80s he was had this handwritten

2238
01:28:33,790 --> 01:28:31,610
massive document that really wasn't

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01:28:36,610 --> 01:28:33,800
readable as a book to be honest with you

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01:28:37,780 --> 01:28:36,620
and burns is a writer and he made it

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01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:37,790
readable is a book but there were a lot

2242
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:39,890
of mistakes in there I think no burns

2243
01:28:42,910 --> 01:28:41,600
then owes it to the public to come

2244
01:28:44,850 --> 01:28:42,920
forward and annotate

2245
01:28:47,860 --> 01:28:44,860
what he knows to be different and

2246
01:28:49,450 --> 01:28:47,870
improve it well he said to me because I

2247
01:28:52,030 --> 01:28:49,460
have after the soul came out we we

2248
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:52,040
talked and he said we'll look you don't

2249
01:28:55,419 --> 01:28:54,080
realize the pressure that that you're

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under when you have a Simon Schuster

2251
01:28:58,660 --> 01:28:56,929
contract it's got to be out by such and

2252
01:29:01,300 --> 01:28:58,670
such a date I said yeah yeah I get that

2253
01:29:03,790 --> 01:29:01,310
I get that he said the thing is we had

2254
01:29:05,740 --> 01:29:03,800
planned once we realize if there is all

2255
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:05,750
these mistakes we he said that he and

2256
01:29:10,180 --> 01:29:07,850
Phil Corso had planned to do another

2257
01:29:11,860 --> 01:29:10,190
edition - correct and then of course of

2258
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:11,870
course they died in June of 98

2259
01:29:17,020 --> 01:29:14,210
now I understand from burns to be fair

2260
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:17,030
to everyone is that in the final days

2261
01:29:20,979 --> 01:29:18,770
after the book was published he was in

2262
01:29:22,270 --> 01:29:20,989
pretty bad health and couldn't even help

2263
01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:22,280
that much while the book was being

2264
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edited we'll get to mourn that in a

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01:29:30,220 --> 01:29:26,390
moment Richard Dolan Bryce Abel joining

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gene and Chris you're in the para cast

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[Music]

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and this new to the barricade with

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Jeanne and Chris we have rice Abel and

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Richard Dolan the book is ad after

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disclosure but we're talking about

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another book that has some sort of

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disclosure early on at least some years

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back the day after Roswell written by

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Philip Corso and very much rewritten by

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Bill burns and the question being of

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course how much was changed a lot of

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skepticism there let me I mean I don't

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want to be fair about that's all exactly

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and you know I could completely get the

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fact that he was under a massive

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deadline and sure there's all this

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pressure you want to get it out for the

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50th anniversary of Roswell that's a

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no-brainer you want to do that if you

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can and you know life intervenes the

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best laid plans of mice and men right so

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I understand that and if his health was

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poor fine the bottom line though is

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unfortunate because Corso who I think

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should be considered actually a valid

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individual in all of this I'll I can

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01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:02,600
give you some reasons why I think but

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his book is forever tainted it's

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actually well go forever going to be

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kicked to the curb essentially and it

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will really never have that the power

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and gravitas that it could have had had

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it been done a little more slowly a

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little more deliberately and

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01:35:22,510 --> 01:35:20,360
unfortunately you know whoever whatever

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01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:22,520
even if it's no one's fault the moments

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01:35:28,810 --> 01:35:25,010
gone and it's not coming back and reason

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01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:28,820
I think or so is to be listened to is

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01:35:34,180 --> 01:35:31,040
that the people around him who knew him

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01:35:37,260 --> 01:35:34,190
every every single person stood by this

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01:35:44,530 --> 01:35:37,270
guy I mean he got he got senator Jesse

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01:35:45,130 --> 01:35:44,540
Jesse help know who did his foreword how

2410
01:35:48,850 --> 01:35:45,140
old I am

2411
01:35:50,230 --> 01:35:48,860
I interviewed Strom Thurmond and it's

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01:35:51,730 --> 01:35:50,240
very interesting about his interview

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01:35:53,770 --> 01:35:51,740
technique we'll get back to this show in

2414
01:35:55,870 --> 01:35:53,780
a second here but just parenthetically I

2415
01:35:59,380 --> 01:35:55,880
interviewed him I was working at a

2416
01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:59,390
country radio station in Charleston

2417
01:36:03,790 --> 01:36:01,280
South Carolina as news director a long a

2418
01:36:05,780 --> 01:36:03,800
long time ago when you interview him his

2419
01:36:07,490 --> 01:36:05,790
face was always pointed down

2420
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:07,500
to the floor I never understood that

2421
01:36:11,900 --> 01:36:09,570
okay but that's the point the first

2422
01:36:13,790 --> 01:36:11,910
printing of the book Strom Thurmond's

2423
01:36:15,140 --> 01:36:13,800
Indra was there then he said no I mean

2424
01:36:18,290 --> 01:36:15,150
you're a saucer book and they had it

2425
01:36:20,090 --> 01:36:18,300
removed exactly but he he spoke about

2426
01:36:22,940 --> 01:36:20,100
Corso talked him up to the skies and

2427
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:22,950
said he was a hero and Corso did have

2428
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:25,170
some street cred here he had he had

2429
01:36:30,110 --> 01:36:27,330
already had some credibility on the mi a

2430
01:36:32,510 --> 01:36:30,120
mission issue which he had talked about

2431
01:36:35,420 --> 01:36:32,520
at some length and you know he was a man

2432
01:36:38,330 --> 01:36:35,430
who had a very significant amount of

2433
01:36:41,210 --> 01:36:38,340
respect in Washington military circles

2434
01:36:43,010 --> 01:36:41,220
he was not a bit player here and so he

2435
01:36:46,910 --> 01:36:43,020
comes out with this statement on Roswell

2436
01:36:50,060 --> 01:36:46,920
as a very old man with a manuscript that

2437
01:36:52,130 --> 01:36:50,070
my understanding was was very poorly put

2438
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:52,140
together and really not readable by

2439
01:36:55,730 --> 01:36:54,480
anyone other than maybe researchers

2440
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:55,740
would have a particular interest it

2441
01:37:00,140 --> 01:36:58,560
wasn't it wasn't in book form so and and

2442
01:37:02,420 --> 01:37:00,150
of course if you're writing from memory

2443
01:37:04,850 --> 01:37:02,430
in your 80s how many things you think

2444
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:04,860
you're gonna get wrong honestly so I

2445
01:37:09,890 --> 01:37:08,010
can't fault the man for getting certain

2446
01:37:11,690 --> 01:37:09,900
things wrong about like the death of

2447
01:37:14,930 --> 01:37:11,700
Frank Wisner which I think he got

2448
01:37:17,690 --> 01:37:14,940
completely wrong CIA executive and a lot

2449
01:37:19,700 --> 01:37:17,700
of other things were just not really

2450
01:37:22,730 --> 01:37:19,710
right and they were factually very easy

2451
01:37:24,290 --> 01:37:22,740
to to pinpoint now the one thing about a

2452
01:37:25,970 --> 01:37:24,300
situation like that if you're rushing

2453
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:25,980
the book out you don't have a fact

2454
01:37:28,910 --> 01:37:27,600
checker at the publisher who can stop

2455
01:37:29,390 --> 01:37:28,920
and say okay we have a couple of months

2456
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:29,400
left

2457
01:37:33,140 --> 01:37:31,650
let's check each and every fact against

2458
01:37:34,490 --> 01:37:33,150
the public record let's make sure it's

2459
01:37:36,290 --> 01:37:34,500
right but if you're rushing to get the

2460
01:37:37,970 --> 01:37:36,300
damn thing out you can't do that I

2461
01:37:39,620 --> 01:37:37,980
understand that but I think the other

2462
01:37:42,440 --> 01:37:39,630
question is here maybe some of those

2463
01:37:44,750 --> 01:37:42,450
early developments did come from alien

2464
01:37:48,350 --> 01:37:44,760
technology that goes back to the 40s and

2465
01:37:50,660 --> 01:37:48,360
50s since then what well you know part

2466
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:50,670
of me as I hear this I go well I I'm not

2467
01:37:56,900 --> 01:37:52,530
interesting this other guy's book as

2468
01:37:58,850 --> 01:37:56,910
much as ours and I would ask because I

2469
01:38:01,670 --> 01:37:58,860
because I can't I can't prove those

2470
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:01,680
things I I can't really say with what

2471
01:38:05,420 --> 01:38:03,210
the answer is to a lot of that I

2472
01:38:09,050 --> 01:38:05,430
personally think somebody should now

2473
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:09,060
write a book about philip corso and and

2474
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:10,770
look into all those things in the same

2475
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:13,050
way that when Whitley Strieber first

2476
01:38:16,109 --> 01:38:14,610
came out with communion I believe

2477
01:38:18,299 --> 01:38:16,119
another author wrote a book call

2478
01:38:21,330 --> 01:38:18,309
report on communion to look into it so I

2479
01:38:24,089 --> 01:38:21,340
think that that kind of self analysis in

2480
01:38:26,009 --> 01:38:24,099
the youth illogical community is a good

2481
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:26,019
thing and by the way one of the reasons

2482
01:38:30,869 --> 01:38:28,449
I was so profoundly honored to be

2483
01:38:33,629 --> 01:38:30,879
Richards partner on this thing is that I

2484
01:38:36,540 --> 01:38:33,639
believe he is the preeminent historian

2485
01:38:38,759 --> 01:38:36,550
of this of our time and and rich is not

2486
01:38:40,859 --> 01:38:38,769
a guy that accepts everything anybody

2487
01:38:41,969 --> 01:38:40,869
says to him and these things I can

2488
01:38:44,100 --> 01:38:41,979
accept more things because I'm a

2489
01:38:46,259 --> 01:38:44,110
dramatist and I don't have to have the

2490
01:38:47,909 --> 01:38:46,269
standard of proof but but rich has been

2491
01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:47,919
very strong on these things and when we

2492
01:38:52,859 --> 01:38:50,800
were working our way through after

2493
01:38:55,020 --> 01:38:52,869
disclosure I think there were a lot of

2494
01:38:58,919 --> 01:38:55,030
places where we wished we had a fact

2495
01:39:00,689 --> 01:38:58,929
checker and we wish we had more time but

2496
01:39:03,839 --> 01:39:00,699
we sucked it up and did it anyway

2497
01:39:05,159 --> 01:39:03,849
and and I think that obviously one of

2498
01:39:07,649 --> 01:39:05,169
the things that you Falah djegal

2499
01:39:10,589 --> 01:39:07,659
community could do is bring its game up

2500
01:39:13,319 --> 01:39:10,599
as much as possible so that the people

2501
01:39:15,209 --> 01:39:13,329
who are not the believers and and are

2502
01:39:18,299 --> 01:39:15,219
not the ones who are predisposed to

2503
01:39:20,489 --> 01:39:18,309
accept the story that we're telling will

2504
01:39:22,799 --> 01:39:20,499
have a better shot at understanding it

2505
01:39:25,139 --> 01:39:22,809
and and so I think all of us have to

2506
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:25,149
accept a higher standard when we're

2507
01:39:29,159 --> 01:39:27,760
talking about nonfiction now the reason

2508
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:29,169
I even brought up course though is

2509
01:39:34,109 --> 01:39:32,050
because this is something that impacts

2510
01:39:37,049 --> 01:39:34,119
of the disclosure because it's saying

2511
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:37,059
that inventions that we know about were

2512
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:40,090
made with alien technology if that's the

2513
01:39:43,469 --> 01:39:42,010
case that's a very important fact

2514
01:39:45,060 --> 01:39:43,479
because the question I have you remember

2515
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:45,070
what my point was going to be about that

2516
01:39:50,850 --> 01:39:47,760
I'm sorry but yeah if there in fact are

2517
01:39:53,669 --> 01:39:50,860
reverse engineering that has been going

2518
01:39:55,409 --> 01:39:53,679
on then in a post disclosure environment

2519
01:39:56,909 --> 01:39:55,419
all of that's going to come out the

2520
01:39:58,049 --> 01:39:56,919
three the four of us sitting here

2521
01:40:00,179 --> 01:39:58,059
talking about it right now

2522
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:00,189
rich probably has some facts that he can

2523
01:40:04,770 --> 01:40:01,570
bring forward I know there's a couple of

2524
01:40:06,839 --> 01:40:04,780
good good cases but most of all when you

2525
01:40:08,909 --> 01:40:06,849
talk about after disclosure what we're

2526
01:40:12,299 --> 01:40:08,919
saying is that's an avalanche of stuff

2527
01:40:16,139 --> 01:40:12,309
all of the things that got created or

2528
01:40:18,569 --> 01:40:16,149
were manipulated because of some kind of

2529
01:40:20,609 --> 01:40:18,579
alien or other technology is going to

2530
01:40:22,979 --> 01:40:20,619
come forward one of the things that rich

2531
01:40:26,219 --> 01:40:22,989
and I have been very strong on is that

2532
01:40:29,010 --> 01:40:26,229
history will need a complete rewrite the

2533
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:29,020
question I would have to raise also is

2534
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,450
much alien technology could we even

2535
01:40:35,370 --> 01:40:33,520
reverse engineer me if I took the

2536
01:40:36,900 --> 01:40:35,380
current iPhone within the voices and all

2537
01:40:38,610 --> 01:40:36,910
that stuff of course it doesn't exist if

2538
01:40:43,110 --> 01:40:38,620
you don't have the internet but I hand

2539
01:40:45,390 --> 01:40:43,120
my iPhone to somebody living in 1912

2540
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:45,400
when Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote John

2541
01:40:49,740 --> 01:40:48,130
Carter of Mars a princess of Mars I hand

2542
01:40:51,480 --> 01:40:49,750
it to Edgar Rice Burroughs and say here

2543
01:40:54,090 --> 01:40:51,490
look at this he's not gonna know what it

2544
01:40:55,770 --> 01:40:54,100
is the best scientists vet era could

2545
01:40:57,780 --> 01:40:55,780
barely figure it out so how would you

2546
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:57,790
figure out technology that might be

2547
01:41:02,010 --> 01:40:59,440
hundreds or thousands of years removed

2548
01:41:03,690 --> 01:41:02,020
from us exactly the best you could do is

2549
01:41:06,180 --> 01:41:03,700
realize that such and such a thing is

2550
01:41:08,490 --> 01:41:06,190
possible you know we all hear stories

2551
01:41:10,050 --> 01:41:08,500
and and they're all great stories I

2552
01:41:12,300 --> 01:41:10,060
heard a story the other day about Joe

2553
01:41:15,150 --> 01:41:12,310
Holden who I believe had something to do

2554
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:15,160
with the jet afterburner and how he was

2555
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:17,530
called in by the military to take a look

2556
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:19,690
at a craft that they had in a hangar and

2557
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:21,970
they couldn't get it open and Holden was

2558
01:41:26,190 --> 01:41:23,770
able to climb up on a ladder and look

2559
01:41:27,540 --> 01:41:26,200
inside a window and see a dead alien in

2560
01:41:29,700 --> 01:41:27,550
it now I hadn't heard that story before

2561
01:41:31,380 --> 01:41:29,710
maybe you guys have heard it but how do

2562
01:41:33,060 --> 01:41:31,390
you prove a story like that that's kind

2563
01:41:34,890 --> 01:41:33,070
of my point if there's reverse

2564
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:34,900
engineering the people who have reverse

2565
01:41:38,580 --> 01:41:36,730
engineer it have all signed oaths and

2566
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:38,590
most of those people take those oath

2567
01:41:43,020 --> 01:41:40,810
very seriously the people that haven't

2568
01:41:45,150 --> 01:41:43,030
signed outs are actually not told

2569
01:41:47,250 --> 01:41:45,160
exactly what the technology is so that

2570
01:41:48,900 --> 01:41:47,260
they can't be a good source of leaking

2571
01:41:50,730 --> 01:41:48,910
about it and then there's the people

2572
01:41:52,710 --> 01:41:50,740
like the Holden story where you say I'd

2573
01:41:55,020 --> 01:41:52,720
like another source on that before I I

2574
01:41:56,910 --> 01:41:55,030
pass it around is true where do you get

2575
01:41:58,260 --> 01:41:56,920
these sources that that's the hardest

2576
01:42:00,450 --> 01:41:58,270
place that we're in right now

2577
01:42:02,850 --> 01:42:00,460
so disclosure rather than being brought

2578
01:42:05,130 --> 01:42:02,860
forward because we're able to prove an

2579
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:05,140
old document is probably a present tense

2580
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:07,090
thing something's going to happen in the

2581
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:09,010
present tense that is going to have to

2582
01:42:13,500 --> 01:42:11,170
break this floodgate open rather than

2583
01:42:15,930 --> 01:42:13,510
something in the past I think I'm a mess

2584
01:42:18,510 --> 01:42:15,940
siding is still probably the top of the

2585
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:18,520
list something that will be recorded

2586
01:42:23,010 --> 01:42:21,010
seen and recorded multiplied by enough

2587
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:23,020
people that is it's like hitting the

2588
01:42:25,770 --> 01:42:24,400
sweet spot of the baseball and that's

2589
01:42:27,210 --> 01:42:25,780
going to hit it out of the park there's

2590
01:42:28,770 --> 01:42:27,220
a lot of sightings that go on all the

2591
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:28,780
time and I think we're getting better

2592
01:42:34,590 --> 01:42:32,250
and better at being able to record and

2593
01:42:36,660 --> 01:42:34,600
communicate these and I just think it's

2594
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:36,670
a matter of time Chris we have a number

2595
01:42:40,710 --> 01:42:38,890
of questions from our listeners at the

2596
01:42:41,939 --> 01:42:40,720
power cast forums at forum dr. Peres

2597
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:41,949
cast calm

2598
01:42:46,860 --> 01:42:44,530
in the thread that is always called the

2599
01:42:49,229 --> 01:42:46,870
question bank we devoted a section for

2600
01:42:51,150 --> 01:42:49,239
questions for rich and for Bryce Chris

2601
01:42:53,370 --> 01:42:51,160
you want to comb some of that maybe dig

2602
01:42:54,900 --> 01:42:53,380
up a few questions that may move this

2603
01:42:56,939 --> 01:42:54,910
discussion forward before we get back

2604
01:43:00,000 --> 01:42:56,949
with it well you know again we have

2605
01:43:01,740 --> 01:43:00,010
discussed I think points that sort of

2606
01:43:03,959 --> 01:43:01,750
are addressed by some of the questions

2607
01:43:05,550 --> 01:43:03,969
but but here's one from SR I who's been

2608
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:05,560
a member of the para cast for a year and

2609
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:08,050
a half and he says according to chockful

2610
01:43:11,939 --> 01:43:10,239
a retired colonel john alexander mr.

2611
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:11,949
robert bigelow disclosure has already

2612
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:12,880
been realized

2613
01:43:17,580 --> 01:43:14,650
however confirmation is yet to be

2614
01:43:19,740 --> 01:43:17,590
achieved what ye say to this now Bryce

2615
01:43:22,919 --> 01:43:19,750
did kind of address this earlier in the

2616
01:43:25,410 --> 01:43:22,929
show but what about John Alexander for

2617
01:43:27,060 --> 01:43:25,420
instance in his recent book saying that

2618
01:43:29,220 --> 01:43:27,070
there's really nothing I don't like the

2619
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:29,230
idea that disclosure has already been

2620
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:32,410
realized come on I mean I'm sorry I just

2621
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:34,330
dismissed that that is not what's

2622
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:36,400
happened at least by my definition now

2623
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:38,530
we can parse words and we can go well in

2624
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:40,480
that some people know and that those who

2625
01:43:44,939 --> 01:43:42,400
want to know can know but I'm talking

2626
01:43:46,110 --> 01:43:44,949
about disclosure where it affects the

2627
01:43:49,020 --> 01:43:46,120
whole world because the whole world

2628
01:43:50,189 --> 01:43:49,030
learns that the world is different than

2629
01:43:52,260 --> 01:43:50,199
the way they thought it was

2630
01:43:54,450 --> 01:43:52,270
that's disclosure to me I would add I

2631
01:43:55,919 --> 01:43:54,460
did a two hour radio debate with John

2632
01:43:58,890 --> 01:43:55,929
Alexander earlier this year it was

2633
01:44:00,810 --> 01:43:58,900
moderated in fact by Leslie came and my

2634
01:44:02,100 --> 01:44:00,820
own opinion is I think I picked him

2635
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:02,110
apart and then some

2636
01:44:06,090 --> 01:44:04,239
he made this argument with me thank you

2637
01:44:07,770 --> 01:44:06,100
that disclosure has already been made

2638
01:44:09,180 --> 01:44:07,780
and that is the government's have stated

2639
01:44:11,580 --> 01:44:09,190
what they know and that's just nonsense

2640
01:44:13,770 --> 01:44:11,590
absolute nonsense I know we had Stanton

2641
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:13,780
Friedman and John Alexander debate on

2642
01:44:18,750 --> 01:44:16,210
the power cast not too long ago there

2643
01:44:25,810 --> 01:44:18,760
you go we have fry sable and rich Dolan

2644
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:28,100
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ladies and gentlemen the Everly Brothers

2674
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doing that but I'd like to think that

2675
01:46:14,780 --> 01:46:08,610
all our players rich Dolan prized Abel

2676
01:46:17,480 --> 01:46:14,790
and Chris O'Brien but not me because we

2677
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:17,490
all work better alone oh you gonna do it

2678
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:19,170
I've never heard you do that singer

2679
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:21,170
you're right and you never will

2680
01:46:26,150 --> 01:46:22,890
we're talking about looking after

2681
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:26,160
disclosure trying to phrase or talk

2682
01:46:31,010 --> 01:46:28,320
about the possible impact if we learned

2683
01:46:35,480 --> 01:46:31,020
that et is here and the government's

2684
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:35,490
disclose it or if events are such that

2685
01:46:39,860 --> 01:46:37,770
they have to disclose because they are

2686
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:39,870
dragged kicking and screaming and we've

2687
01:46:43,430 --> 01:46:41,520
been answering some of your questions

2688
01:46:46,010 --> 01:46:43,440
but I want throw this one out here and

2689
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:46,020
that is the statement that maybe

2690
01:46:50,630 --> 01:46:47,610
disclosure has already happened what

2691
01:46:52,970 --> 01:46:50,640
about gradual disclosure year after year

2692
01:46:54,770 --> 01:46:52,980
we hear there are potentially millions

2693
01:46:57,590 --> 01:46:54,780
of inhabited worlds out there with some

2694
01:47:00,530 --> 01:46:57,600
form of life we have one of the moons of

2695
01:47:02,510 --> 01:47:00,540
Saturn has primitive life and Mars and

2696
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,520
maybe the moon so it doesn't take much

2697
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:04,560
of a stretch to say okay we have

2698
01:47:08,570 --> 01:47:06,330
advanced alien races

2699
01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:08,580
another stretch they're coming here what

2700
01:47:13,220 --> 01:47:10,800
about gradual disclosure happening over

2701
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:13,230
decades we wake up one day and we know

2702
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:15,210
what's going on but we don't look at the

2703
01:47:19,250 --> 01:47:17,010
path that got us there that's about

2704
01:47:23,180 --> 01:47:19,260
right I mean the gradual disclosure in a

2705
01:47:24,770 --> 01:47:23,190
sense is a symptom of the technological

2706
01:47:27,410 --> 01:47:24,780
development that we are showing as a

2707
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:27,420
society we have greater and greater

2708
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:31,170
abilities now to perform studies of the

2709
01:47:35,390 --> 01:47:33,210
rest of the universe for example and to

2710
01:47:37,070 --> 01:47:35,400
figure out how many earth-like planets

2711
01:47:39,140 --> 01:47:37,080
there may be in all of this so all of

2712
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:39,150
this is part of the process all of it is

2713
01:47:43,310 --> 01:47:41,760
basically a ground up Bryce was talking

2714
01:47:45,410 --> 01:47:43,320
about this earlier pushing up from the

2715
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:45,420
bottom this is us the people and it's

2716
01:47:50,030 --> 01:47:48,000
going to get to a point some whether

2717
01:47:52,250 --> 01:47:50,040
it's this year next year ten years from

2718
01:47:54,440 --> 01:47:52,260
now there will reach a point where this

2719
01:47:56,410 --> 01:47:54,450
includes reality of the UFO phenomenon

2720
01:47:59,080 --> 01:47:56,420
itself is going to force

2721
01:48:01,240 --> 01:47:59,090
those people who are our official guys

2722
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:01,250
at the top of the human heap to have to

2723
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:02,930
make an announcement acknowledgement and

2724
01:48:06,310 --> 01:48:05,090
that's disclosure I would like to let me

2725
01:48:09,010 --> 01:48:06,320
just mention one thing here because I

2726
01:48:11,500 --> 01:48:09,020
hope we get some time to talk about some

2727
01:48:12,610 --> 01:48:11,510
of the real issues post disclosure

2728
01:48:14,260 --> 01:48:12,620
because I mean all of this is

2729
01:48:16,750 --> 01:48:14,270
fascinating talking about how it can

2730
01:48:20,650 --> 01:48:16,760
happen and so on but there are some some

2731
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:20,660
major themes you've got social social

2732
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:22,010
ramifications so you've got the whole

2733
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:24,530
energy paradigm which is critical you've

2734
01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:26,930
got major geopolitical ramifications

2735
01:48:32,410 --> 01:48:29,360
you've got changes in religion and

2736
01:48:33,820 --> 01:48:32,420
science as a result of all this and you

2737
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:33,830
know all of these are issues that price

2738
01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:36,080
and I tried to tackle as best we could

2739
01:48:38,170 --> 01:48:37,520
when we wrote this changes in culture

2740
01:48:40,090 --> 01:48:38,180
etc

2741
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:40,100
I just want to wrap up your gradual

2742
01:48:44,110 --> 01:48:42,290
disclosure thing though sure I find that

2743
01:48:46,660 --> 01:48:44,120
that argument is a lot similar to the

2744
01:48:48,430 --> 01:48:46,670
one that I hear because I work in our in

2745
01:48:50,440 --> 01:48:48,440
Hollywood as the storyteller where

2746
01:48:53,890 --> 01:48:50,450
people say oh well Hollywood's been

2747
01:48:56,110 --> 01:48:53,900
being used to prepare us for disclosure

2748
01:48:58,510 --> 01:48:56,120
I don't necessarily believe in any of

2749
01:49:02,560 --> 01:48:58,520
those and certainly not now I would

2750
01:49:05,620 --> 01:49:02,570
imagine that if in 1947 it had landed on

2751
01:49:07,900 --> 01:49:05,630
my desk to keep this thing quiet while

2752
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:07,910
we got a handle on it I bet most of the

2753
01:49:12,430 --> 01:49:10,730
people in 47 figured they'd be lucky if

2754
01:49:14,530 --> 01:49:12,440
they could keep this under wraps for

2755
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:14,540
five and maybe ten years at the outset

2756
01:49:20,890 --> 01:49:17,810
the the idea that denial and ridicule

2757
01:49:23,980 --> 01:49:20,900
the twin pillars of secrecy would have

2758
01:49:26,110 --> 01:49:23,990
worked so astonishingly well for six to

2759
01:49:28,630 --> 01:49:26,120
seven decades probably would have blown

2760
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:28,640
everybody away I don't see any evidence

2761
01:49:34,630 --> 01:49:32,210
of gradual disclosure what we have is a

2762
01:49:38,440 --> 01:49:34,640
gradual deepening of the public's

2763
01:49:40,150 --> 01:49:38,450
interest in the topic of actual UFO ET

2764
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:40,160
reality and how that might impact

2765
01:49:47,230 --> 01:49:43,210
disclosure but there is a giant gap

2766
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:47,240
between real disclosure and believing

2767
01:49:51,130 --> 01:49:49,130
that there's a lot of planets out there

2768
01:49:53,410 --> 01:49:51,140
that could support life I give you the

2769
01:49:56,100 --> 01:49:53,420
one example which is Carl Sagan who I I

2770
01:49:59,620 --> 01:49:56,110
find to be a very odd duck in the whole

2771
01:50:02,500 --> 01:49:59,630
science and ufology field because here

2772
01:50:05,770 --> 01:50:02,510
is a man famous for saying the universe

2773
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:05,780
was absolutely teeming with life and yet

2774
01:50:10,100 --> 01:50:08,090
at the same time he took the position

2775
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:10,110
but it couldn't possibly be here

2776
01:50:14,030 --> 01:50:11,730
and why could it not possibly be here

2777
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:14,040
because the distances are too vast it

2778
01:50:18,830 --> 01:50:16,650
would be impossible and yet Sagan is the

2779
01:50:20,330 --> 01:50:18,840
same guy that said any civilization

2780
01:50:21,979 --> 01:50:20,340
would probably be a thousand or a

2781
01:50:23,359 --> 01:50:21,989
million years in advance of us so I

2782
01:50:25,609 --> 01:50:23,369
would presume they would have better

2783
01:50:27,290 --> 01:50:25,619
science and technology there's just a

2784
01:50:29,810 --> 01:50:27,300
whole lot of things that don't quite add

2785
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:29,820
up in a gradual disclosure thing I think

2786
01:50:33,590 --> 01:50:31,650
the people that have this are holding

2787
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:33,600
their cards as tight as they can for as

2788
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:35,730
long as they can they probably have a

2789
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:37,650
back-up plan for when they think that

2790
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:39,840
the whole thing's going south on them

2791
01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:41,730
and that's when we'll get what amounts

2792
01:50:44,209 --> 01:50:43,440
to some kind of public disclosure and

2793
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:44,219
not before

2794
01:50:49,340 --> 01:50:47,520
ok let's look at other potential things

2795
01:50:51,530 --> 01:50:49,350
might be impacted certainly the energy

2796
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:51,540
industry suddenly overnight we learned

2797
01:50:58,100 --> 01:50:55,440
that oil natural gas even the solar

2798
01:50:59,689 --> 01:50:58,110
energy is just so primitive these aliens

2799
01:51:03,260 --> 01:50:59,699
have something that makes them all look

2800
01:51:05,060 --> 01:51:03,270
like you know really ancient useless

2801
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:05,070
technology you throw out these

2802
01:51:09,020 --> 01:51:07,650
industries overnight of course they'd

2803
01:51:11,180 --> 01:51:09,030
want to keep the secret wouldn't they

2804
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:11,190
sure they would sure they would and

2805
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:12,960
figure out a way to put a meter on it

2806
01:51:18,530 --> 01:51:16,050
right will they this is a real problem I

2807
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:18,540
mean a ten-year-old kid can probably

2808
01:51:22,459 --> 01:51:20,730
realize that whatever these objects use

2809
01:51:25,399 --> 01:51:22,469
to get around it's not petroleum it's

2810
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:25,409
not gasoline or even jet fuel you know

2811
01:51:29,209 --> 01:51:27,210
if you can lawyer indefinitely and

2812
01:51:32,419 --> 01:51:29,219
silently and then instantly accelerate

2813
01:51:35,109 --> 01:51:32,429
and do sharp angle turns you're doing

2814
01:51:38,090 --> 01:51:35,119
something way beyond our current

2815
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:38,100
aerodynamics and energy paradigm and how

2816
01:51:42,649 --> 01:51:39,810
long is it going even if we don't really

2817
01:51:44,899 --> 01:51:42,659
know exactly a moment of disclosure what

2818
01:51:45,979 --> 01:51:44,909
these other beings are using do you

2819
01:51:48,260 --> 01:51:45,989
really think it's gonna be that long

2820
01:51:50,930 --> 01:51:48,270
before we figure it out now there have

2821
01:51:52,729 --> 01:51:50,940
been all kinds of alternative energy

2822
01:51:54,770 --> 01:51:52,739
explorations that people have talked

2823
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:54,780
about is a lot of suspicion that some of

2824
01:51:57,979 --> 01:51:56,639
this stuff has been suppressed wouldn't

2825
01:51:59,689 --> 01:51:57,989
shock me in the least if that would have

2826
01:52:01,520 --> 01:51:59,699
been the case maybe like the car that I

2827
01:52:04,550 --> 01:52:01,530
can do 200 miles a gallon yeah

2828
01:52:06,410 --> 01:52:04,560
absolutely absolutely I think so when

2829
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:06,420
you're talking about alternate energy

2830
01:52:11,660 --> 01:52:08,489
sources something that's not petroleum

2831
01:52:13,609 --> 01:52:11,670
Petroleum's been the dominant industry

2832
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:13,619
at least one of the top handful of

2833
01:52:18,140 --> 01:52:15,119
dominant industries of the last hundred

2834
01:52:20,450 --> 01:52:18,150
50 years our entire world is essentially

2835
01:52:22,669 --> 01:52:20,460
based on a patrol on petroleum for its

2836
01:52:23,689 --> 01:52:22,679
infrastructure we would have a hard time

2837
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:23,699
existing with

2838
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:25,760
and what if we were to discover that

2839
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:28,080
there's something now that's better than

2840
01:52:33,229 --> 01:52:30,480
this multi trillion dollar industry that

2841
01:52:35,930 --> 01:52:33,239
employs so much of the globe even under

2842
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:35,940
the best of circumstances all right your

2843
01:52:39,860 --> 01:52:37,920
transition is not necessarily gonna be

2844
01:52:42,050 --> 01:52:39,870
the easiest thing there's going to be a

2845
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:42,060
lot of blowback and resistance to that

2846
01:52:48,260 --> 01:52:44,330
and and there's going to be a lot of

2847
01:52:50,540 --> 01:52:48,270
deep unhappiness among those elite

2848
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:50,550
groups that have probably looked at the

2849
01:52:54,860 --> 01:52:53,250
people who are managing the UFO secret

2850
01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:54,870
are very likely deeply tied into the

2851
01:53:00,229 --> 01:52:57,210
petroleum industry as well so this is

2852
01:53:02,810 --> 01:53:00,239
this is not a win scenario for them and

2853
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:02,820
if they can't find a way to meter this

2854
01:53:06,110 --> 01:53:04,050
new energy let's say it's something like

2855
01:53:08,450 --> 01:53:06,120
zero-point energy let's just say maybe

2856
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:08,460
that's the case and you create a device

2857
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:10,650
you meter the zero-point energy field

2858
01:53:14,959 --> 01:53:12,570
well maybe they'll find a way to do that

2859
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:14,969
maybe they will but you know switching

2860
01:53:17,930 --> 01:53:16,650
over from one form of energy

2861
01:53:20,300 --> 01:53:17,940
fundamentally to another

2862
01:53:23,330 --> 01:53:20,310
I think humanity needs to do that I

2863
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:23,340
think we all realize we can't continue

2864
01:53:29,060 --> 01:53:26,370
on our path using fossil fuels and

2865
01:53:31,010 --> 01:53:29,070
expect to be in a really good place in

2866
01:53:32,780 --> 01:53:31,020
another couple hundred years there's

2867
01:53:34,250 --> 01:53:32,790
also active political movements out

2868
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:34,260
there that want to make us believe that

2869
01:53:39,260 --> 01:53:36,570
we have all the oil we need for

2870
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:39,270
centuries we just have to use all sorts

2871
01:53:44,950 --> 01:53:41,489
of crazy methods like fracking to get in

2872
01:53:48,500 --> 01:53:44,960
there yeah and get that oil out blew dry

2873
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:48,510
exactly but even if we do that that

2874
01:53:53,150 --> 01:53:50,880
still really finite because it's it's

2875
01:53:55,790 --> 01:53:53,160
not just supply its demand if this were

2876
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:55,800
1950 then we would have enough oil easy

2877
01:54:01,400 --> 01:53:58,560
to last for several centuries 1950

2878
01:54:03,050 --> 01:54:01,410
levels of consumption but you've got not

2879
01:54:04,430 --> 01:54:03,060
three billion but seven plus billion

2880
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:04,440
people in the world you got China you

2881
01:54:07,700 --> 01:54:05,760
got India they all want to drive their

2882
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:07,710
SUVs now you've got everyone in the

2883
01:54:11,090 --> 01:54:09,810
world wants to drive a car and we're

2884
01:54:12,530 --> 01:54:11,100
just sucking this stuff down I don't

2885
01:54:14,330 --> 01:54:12,540
care how much you have in the ground if

2886
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:14,340
you keep wanting to double your energy

2887
01:54:19,130 --> 01:54:16,890
output every gem human generation and

2888
01:54:21,950 --> 01:54:19,140
it's like that old Chinese parable of

2889
01:54:23,150 --> 01:54:21,960
the the doubling of the rice you know at

2890
01:54:26,450 --> 01:54:23,160
a certain point you're gonna have more

2891
01:54:28,250 --> 01:54:26,460
more demand of energy then that is

2892
01:54:30,350 --> 01:54:28,260
possible now the other question would be

2893
01:54:32,660 --> 01:54:30,360
here then all right so the oil industry

2894
01:54:34,910 --> 01:54:32,670
is kaput unless they find ways as chris

2895
01:54:36,919 --> 01:54:34,920
says to meter it the people who make the

2896
01:54:37,220 --> 01:54:36,929
cars will they just figure well if it's

2897
01:54:38,750 --> 01:54:37,230
a new

2898
01:54:41,420 --> 01:54:38,760
propulsion system will just design

2899
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:41,430
vehicles to work with it sure maybe not

2900
01:54:46,220 --> 01:54:43,530
everything is kaput I there's

2901
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:46,230
transitions all changes in human history

2902
01:54:51,470 --> 01:54:48,810
have a transition zone it there was a

2903
01:54:54,110 --> 01:54:51,480
period of transition from coal to oil

2904
01:54:56,210 --> 01:54:54,120
there's always a transition and they'll

2905
01:54:58,340 --> 01:54:56,220
there will be another transition here in

2906
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:58,350
fact one of the clocks if there is a

2907
01:55:03,890 --> 01:55:00,960
clock on disclosure might very well be

2908
01:55:06,380 --> 01:55:03,900
the availability of oil and in people's

2909
01:55:08,210 --> 01:55:06,390
plans as to whether fracking is going to

2910
01:55:09,500 --> 01:55:08,220
do the job or not do the job you know

2911
01:55:11,450 --> 01:55:09,510
there's a lot of things behind the

2912
01:55:13,820 --> 01:55:11,460
scenes that we are not privy to yet so

2913
01:55:16,700 --> 01:55:13,830
if there is an ultimate goal here it

2914
01:55:18,710 --> 01:55:16,710
might be we will disclose barring

2915
01:55:21,620 --> 01:55:18,720
outside developments we can't control

2916
01:55:23,390 --> 01:55:21,630
when we are ready to receive that

2917
01:55:24,650 --> 01:55:23,400
information because of various and

2918
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:24,660
sundry different things we can talk

2919
01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:26,880
about Bryce Abel rich Dolan in the book

2920
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:29,250
is after disclosure with Gene and Chris

2921
01:55:39,110 --> 01:55:37,410
you're in the back cast we also have

2922
01:55:42,650 --> 01:55:39,120
swag you know we have all these

2923
01:55:43,190 --> 01:55:42,660
exclusive para cast things that you can

2924
01:55:45,140 --> 01:55:43,200
buy

2925
01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:45,150
we've got like I guess 60 or so

2926
01:55:51,530 --> 01:55:47,970
different items and entails t-shirts

2927
01:55:54,860 --> 01:55:51,540
sleeves for notebook computers iPad

2928
01:55:57,200 --> 01:55:54,870
cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo

2929
01:55:59,000 --> 01:55:57,210
tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and

2930
01:56:02,240 --> 01:55:59,010
jackets and stuff like that for men and

2931
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:02,250
women we have a para cast aluminum water

2932
01:56:08,660 --> 01:56:05,040
bottle all the stuff you go to store . ^

2933
01:56:11,570 --> 01:56:08,670
cast comm store doctor para cast comm

2934
01:56:13,850 --> 01:56:11,580
what makes special is that the items are

2935
01:56:16,430 --> 01:56:13,860
the best quality of great t-shirts

2936
01:56:17,690 --> 01:56:16,440
fabrics and they have our official logo

2937
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:17,700
on them that's what makes them special

2938
01:56:22,729 --> 01:56:19,920
in multiple sizes and colors

2939
01:56:25,070 --> 01:56:22,739
we even have stuff for children stuff

2940
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:25,080
for women's stuff for men we have all

2941
01:56:30,110 --> 01:56:27,810
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with rich Dolan and Bryce Abel Chris any

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more questions or have we covered all

3029
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the subjects there yeah there are but

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I've got one here I recently was

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involved in a project called dialogues

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the disclosure dialogue which is a DVD

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project that rich was an integral part

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and one of the featured experts that we

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we had in dialogue in this piece and one

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of the I think most fascinating

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conversations that I had the pleasure of

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editing was rich oh you and Danny

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Sheehan talking and of course Danny

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02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:32,840
Sheehan for for our new listeners is is

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a really interesting guy he he's a

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top-notch lawyer from the Harvard Law

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02:00:43,030 --> 02:00:40,940
School he also has a do I think a degree

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in in the divinities he was the chief

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02:00:48,190 --> 02:00:45,560
counsel for the Jesuits for many years

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02:00:50,860 --> 02:00:48,200
and helped argue the Pentagon Papers

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case in his 20s in front of the Supreme

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Court this guy is a real mover and

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02:00:55,900 --> 02:00:54,170
shaker but he's one of the few people

3050
02:00:57,850 --> 02:00:55,910
that I know that actually was allowed to

3051
02:00:59,590 --> 02:00:57,860
see the secret portion of Project Blue

3052
02:01:01,330 --> 02:00:59,600
Book but one of the things that that

3053
02:01:03,010 --> 02:01:01,340
really struck me rich about your

3054
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:03,020
conversation with Danny was the way you

3055
02:01:09,250 --> 02:01:05,450
guys addressed the whole religious issue

3056
02:01:10,450 --> 02:01:09,260
and how the religious question may not

3057
02:01:12,010 --> 02:01:10,460
be as you know

3058
02:01:14,830 --> 02:01:12,020
as much of a sticking point in the

3059
02:01:16,750 --> 02:01:14,840
disclosure equation as most people kind

3060
02:01:19,300 --> 02:01:16,760
of assume that it is why don't you give

3061
02:01:21,130 --> 02:01:19,310
us kind of a thumbnail sketch of that

3062
02:01:23,170 --> 02:01:21,140
conversation that you had with Danny and

3063
02:01:25,150 --> 02:01:23,180
and do mention what you came up with in

3064
02:01:26,830 --> 02:01:25,160
the end because I think this is covered

3065
02:01:29,140 --> 02:01:26,840
in your book and I think this is a very

3066
02:01:31,330 --> 02:01:29,150
very important and relevant issue

3067
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:31,340
yeah well that's funny I love and I

3068
02:01:35,290 --> 02:01:33,650
think I'm so highly at them I almost

3069
02:01:36,970 --> 02:01:35,300
can't remember anything I said in that

3070
02:01:38,620 --> 02:01:36,980
conversation to be perfectly candid with

3071
02:01:41,290 --> 02:01:38,630
you but I do know what my thoughts are

3072
02:01:43,540 --> 02:01:41,300
regarding religion and disclosure so

3073
02:01:45,370 --> 02:01:43,550
hopefully what I'll say now it will be

3074
02:01:47,440 --> 02:01:45,380
consistent with whatever I said during

3075
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:47,450
that discussion which I think was better

3076
02:01:51,190 --> 02:01:49,370
half ago two years ago I don't

3077
02:01:53,380 --> 02:01:51,200
understand rich it doesn't have to be

3078
02:01:55,570 --> 02:01:53,390
because people are free to change their

3079
02:01:57,250 --> 02:01:55,580
minds it's not like the political world

3080
02:01:59,440 --> 02:01:57,260
where you make one sentence that's

3081
02:02:01,540 --> 02:01:59,450
slightly off and they'll beat you down

3082
02:02:07,420 --> 02:02:01,550
for it oh thank god well yeah I just

3083
02:02:09,220 --> 02:02:07,430
can't change your mind Danny changed

3084
02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:09,230
your mind about about the whole

3085
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:11,330
religious issue and his idea of coming

3086
02:02:14,620 --> 02:02:12,890
up with a grassroots movement I think

3087
02:02:16,930 --> 02:02:14,630
really changed your thinking and I've

3088
02:02:19,930 --> 02:02:16,940
heard that change in your thinking uh in

3089
02:02:21,970 --> 02:02:19,940
this interview okay then yes absolutely

3090
02:02:23,950 --> 02:02:21,980
you know the one thing that I would have

3091
02:02:26,920 --> 02:02:23,960
to say about religion is that there's no

3092
02:02:28,360 --> 02:02:26,930
one religion so you've got when you're

3093
02:02:30,280 --> 02:02:28,370
talking about disclosure when you're

3094
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:30,290
talking about extraterrestrials or these

3095
02:02:34,479 --> 02:02:32,930
other beings because maybe maybe they're

3096
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:34,489
really not extraterrestrial in the way

3097
02:02:38,110 --> 02:02:35,840
that we imagined that I don't I don't

3098
02:02:40,570 --> 02:02:38,120
know nobody knows but whatever they are

3099
02:02:43,000 --> 02:02:40,580
they're not us so various different

3100
02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:43,010
religions on planet Earth are going to

3101
02:02:47,860 --> 02:02:44,930
look at this phenomenon in very

3102
02:02:49,690 --> 02:02:47,870
different ways all right you've got in

3103
02:02:52,590 --> 02:02:49,700
the u.s. let's look at the Christian

3104
02:02:55,330 --> 02:02:52,600
denominations first you've got basically

3105
02:02:57,190 --> 02:02:55,340
liberal and conservative variations of

3106
02:02:58,780 --> 02:02:57,200
Christianity you know back in the olden

3107
02:03:00,370 --> 02:02:58,790
days used to say Protestant and Catholic

3108
02:03:02,050 --> 02:03:00,380
but that's really not relevant the

3109
02:03:04,720 --> 02:03:02,060
breakdown it's more like liberal and

3110
02:03:08,050 --> 02:03:04,730
conservative so you've got evangelical

3111
02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:08,060
groups in the US and you know that's one

3112
02:03:12,940 --> 02:03:10,610
side and many of them and this is not a

3113
02:03:14,590 --> 02:03:12,950
matter of speculation you go I'm ask the

3114
02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:14,600
evangelicals their attitude about this

3115
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:17,090
and they'll tell you that there's a

3116
02:03:22,240 --> 02:03:19,610
strong tendency to interpret the UFO

3117
02:03:23,970 --> 02:03:22,250
phenomenon as demonic in one form or

3118
02:03:26,850 --> 02:03:23,980
another Luciferian

3119
02:03:29,400 --> 02:03:26,860
they can quote you relevant passages of

3120
02:03:31,590 --> 02:03:29,410
the Bible to show this many passages and

3121
02:03:34,500 --> 02:03:31,600
Paul certain passages and revelations

3122
02:03:36,479 --> 02:03:34,510
and then on the other side very say

3123
02:03:37,979 --> 02:03:36,489
liberal types of belief system and

3124
02:03:40,380 --> 02:03:37,989
particularly when you get into like New

3125
02:03:43,500 --> 02:03:40,390
Age belief systems you've got a very

3126
02:03:45,570 --> 02:03:43,510
opposite way of looking at the ET UFO

3127
02:03:47,400 --> 02:03:45,580
phenomenon in many cases where they're

3128
02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:47,410
going to look at this as a very positive

3129
02:03:52,530 --> 02:03:50,170
event in which these other beings are

3130
02:03:54,090 --> 02:03:52,540
going to help humanity move to its next

3131
02:03:56,340 --> 02:03:54,100
level of development where they're

3132
02:03:59,640 --> 02:03:56,350
typically spiritually rich long enough

3133
02:04:01,740 --> 02:03:59,650
to group to bridge that gap but here's

3134
02:04:04,380 --> 02:04:01,750
the other problem which might come up

3135
02:04:06,479 --> 02:04:04,390
what if ET says you know what just like

3136
02:04:09,420 --> 02:04:06,489
your ancient astronauts were the ancient

3137
02:04:11,310 --> 02:04:09,430
astronauts we seeded you twenty thousand

3138
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:11,320
years ago whatever we did genetic

3139
02:04:16,530 --> 02:04:13,930
engineering you weren't created by God

3140
02:04:19,260 --> 02:04:16,540
you were created by us doesn't mean they

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don't believe in a God but they are our

3142
02:04:23,460 --> 02:04:21,250
Creator that's not so much a religious

3143
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:23,470
issue is a great example of white there

3144
02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:25,450
still may not be disclosure at this

3145
02:04:29,700 --> 02:04:27,250
point if that was true I could see

3146
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:29,710
people arguing to keep it under wraps a

3147
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:31,090
little bit longer but the one thing I

3148
02:04:35,160 --> 02:04:32,410
just want to throw in about religion

3149
02:04:36,540 --> 02:04:35,170
what rich and I found out is most people

3150
02:04:39,120 --> 02:04:36,550
when they discuss disclosure and

3151
02:04:41,340 --> 02:04:39,130
religion their first statement is well

3152
02:04:43,470 --> 02:04:41,350
the reason they can't disclose is the

3153
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:43,480
religions would freak out but that's not

3154
02:04:49,740 --> 02:04:47,530
what research has shown most people who

3155
02:04:51,990 --> 02:04:49,750
are religious when interviewed about how

3156
02:04:54,690 --> 02:04:52,000
they would respond to an

3157
02:04:56,100 --> 02:04:54,700
extraterrestrial revelation take it

3158
02:04:59,130 --> 02:04:56,110
pretty much in stride

3159
02:05:00,540 --> 02:04:59,140
in large numbers and basically shrug

3160
02:05:02,250 --> 02:05:00,550
their shoulders and say it's a large

3161
02:05:03,870 --> 02:05:02,260
universe God's in charge of the whole

3162
02:05:06,450 --> 02:05:03,880
thing and why wouldn't he make other

3163
02:05:08,240 --> 02:05:06,460
people the people who say that religion

3164
02:05:10,950 --> 02:05:08,250
would freak out over disclosure

3165
02:05:13,470 --> 02:05:10,960
ironically turn out to be in a vast

3166
02:05:15,479 --> 02:05:13,480
majority a theist it's the it's the

3167
02:05:17,550 --> 02:05:15,489
agnostics and the atheists who think

3168
02:05:19,200 --> 02:05:17,560
that religious people will freak out but

3169
02:05:21,110 --> 02:05:19,210
the religious people themselves say they

3170
02:05:24,390 --> 02:05:21,120
won't and as rich pointed out on the

3171
02:05:26,670 --> 02:05:24,400
evangelical front its evangelicals who

3172
02:05:28,710 --> 02:05:26,680
seem to know more about ufology than

3173
02:05:32,160 --> 02:05:28,720
most ufologists they they know

3174
02:05:33,479 --> 02:05:32,170
everything about Mantell and and Betty

3175
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:33,489
and Barney Hill and things like that

3176
02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:36,010
they just attributed it all to

3177
02:05:40,840 --> 02:05:38,570
demonology I think in the short-term I

3178
02:05:42,640 --> 02:05:40,850
agree with this that that you know the

3179
02:05:44,530 --> 02:05:42,650
religions are not going to collapse and

3180
02:05:46,240 --> 02:05:44,540
we even we talked about the development

3181
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:46,250
of new religions as a result of this I

3182
02:05:49,810 --> 02:05:47,930
would think though in the long term

3183
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:49,820
let's say two to three to four

3184
02:05:56,500 --> 02:05:52,970
generations out post disclosure that

3185
02:05:58,300 --> 02:05:56,510
probably all of the the Western the

3186
02:06:00,490 --> 02:05:58,310
desert sky GaN religions as I sometimes

3187
02:06:03,790 --> 02:06:00,500
think of them basically Christianity

3188
02:06:06,820 --> 02:06:03,800
Islam and Judaism all of all of these

3189
02:06:09,940 --> 02:06:06,830
are very possibly going to be affected

3190
02:06:12,790 --> 02:06:09,950
by the advent of other beings that are

3191
02:06:14,230 --> 02:06:12,800
here you know change change doesn't

3192
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:14,240
always happen among people it happens

3193
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:16,400
among generations yeah you know maybe

3194
02:06:19,780 --> 02:06:18,410
not not you and me but our kids our

3195
02:06:21,460 --> 02:06:19,790
grandchildren our great-grandchildren

3196
02:06:23,560 --> 02:06:21,470
are going to they'll be living in an

3197
02:06:26,230 --> 02:06:23,570
environment that's very very different

3198
02:06:28,830 --> 02:06:26,240
than what we can imagine and those kids

3199
02:06:31,210 --> 02:06:28,840
who grow up in a post disclosure world

3200
02:06:32,680 --> 02:06:31,220
it's hard for me to imagine that they're

3201
02:06:34,660 --> 02:06:32,690
going to look at the fairy tale style

3202
02:06:37,090 --> 02:06:34,670
religious belief systems that you know

3203
02:06:38,380 --> 02:06:37,100
most people in the Western tradition of

3204
02:06:40,120 --> 02:06:38,390
growing up and that they're just gonna

3205
02:06:42,460 --> 02:06:40,130
be able to take that as seriously and

3206
02:06:44,170 --> 02:06:42,470
post it or not in fact by the way gene

3207
02:06:46,570 --> 02:06:44,180
can we talk culture for a few minutes

3208
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here sure go ahead this is certainly

3209
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leads to that yes is it the whole

3210
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religious thing is part of our culture

3211
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and so it kind of leads us into this

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other thing when when rich and I were

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having those that year-long ongoing

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debate about well what do you think

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about this do you think it might go this

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way that way we struggled with the

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concept of the culture and how the

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culture would be affected by a

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disclosure revelation and the best

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animal analogy we could come up with

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would be that in ad world and after

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disclosure world that is going to be in

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the 1960s with technology that that if

3224
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you think about what happened in the 60s

3225
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two things radicalized people and made

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the 60s what they were it was the

3227
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assassination of John F Kennedy and the

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idea that maybe we didn't know

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everything we thought we knew and that

3230
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our leaders could tell lies and the

3231
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conspiracies could exist

3232
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followed by Vietnam which had its own

3233
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radicalizing influence and we kind of

3234
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think disclosure is JFK and Vietnam

3235
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rolled into one

3236
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we'll give us kind of a society that

3237
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comes unhinged a little bit at the

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beginning and then reassembles itself

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over probably a period of a decade or so

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to sort of take into account all these

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new ideas and new thoughts so we could

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Friedman you are listening to the parrot

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case the gold standard a paranormal

3354
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radio we have Bryce Abel and Richard

3355
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Dolan ad after disclosures the book with

3356
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Jean and Chris and the para cast we're

3357
02:13:00,669 --> 02:12:58,969
talking about the cultural interactions

3358
02:13:02,260 --> 02:13:00,679
the response what's going to happen to

3359
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organized religion to the oil industry

3360
02:13:06,970 --> 02:13:04,940
everything like that but what if we

3361
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learned that maybe each he isn't so

3362
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friendly towards us what kind of

3363
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thinking of et either being agnostic

3364
02:13:13,450 --> 02:13:11,870
towards us we're just here and they're

3365
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just trying to figure out what we are or

3366
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maybe they had some impact into our

3367
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civilization early on in terms of

3368
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genetic engineering but what if they

3369
02:13:27,939 --> 02:13:24,140
don't wish us well I a certain famous

3370
02:13:29,800 --> 02:13:27,949
scientist has suggested Hawking speaks

3371
02:13:32,110 --> 02:13:29,810
for me on that one I I think it's

3372
02:13:33,130 --> 02:13:32,120
entirely possible that there's a well

3373
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you know one of the things you do when

3374
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you write a screenplay you try to have

3375
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the characters have a marketplace of

3376
02:13:39,700 --> 02:13:38,210
ideas there's different characters who

3377
02:13:41,140 --> 02:13:39,710
look at the same situation from

3378
02:13:43,090 --> 02:13:41,150
different points of view and that's what

3379
02:13:45,669 --> 02:13:43,100
gives you the drama and the conflict

3380
02:13:48,070 --> 02:13:45,679
there's nothing that has been revealed

3381
02:13:50,140 --> 02:13:48,080
other than people's good wishes that

3382
02:13:52,990 --> 02:13:50,150
everything be sweetness and light there

3383
02:13:55,030 --> 02:13:53,000
may be far more than one particular type

3384
02:13:57,070 --> 02:13:55,040
of others who have been visiting us

3385
02:13:58,450 --> 02:13:57,080
there may be some that are neutral some

3386
02:13:59,860 --> 02:13:58,460
that are positive and some that are

3387
02:14:02,350 --> 02:13:59,870
negative I would just remind everybody

3388
02:14:04,660 --> 02:14:02,360
the technology alone doesn't guarantee

3389
02:14:06,490 --> 02:14:04,670
that anybody is particularly good the

3390
02:14:07,489 --> 02:14:06,500
Nazis had the best technology they

3391
02:14:09,139 --> 02:14:07,499
weren't good

3392
02:14:12,229 --> 02:14:09,149
we have great technology now we're a

3393
02:14:14,839 --> 02:14:12,239
mixed bag we may be in a fight right now

3394
02:14:18,139 --> 02:14:14,849
a secret fight that we're unaware of or

3395
02:14:21,769 --> 02:14:18,149
we may be holding one at bay there may

3396
02:14:24,649 --> 02:14:21,779
be all kinds of reasons why these people

3397
02:14:26,989 --> 02:14:24,659
who manage the secret have maintained it

3398
02:14:28,909 --> 02:14:26,999
all these years and you know I don't

3399
02:14:32,179 --> 02:14:28,919
think either rich or I take the position

3400
02:14:34,879 --> 02:14:32,189
that disclosure and must happen simply

3401
02:14:36,229 --> 02:14:34,889
because these evil people have kept it

3402
02:14:38,599 --> 02:14:36,239
from us we don't really know what their

3403
02:14:40,009 --> 02:14:38,609
motivations are entirely I think what

3404
02:14:42,139 --> 02:14:40,019
rich and I have come to the conclusion

3405
02:14:44,059 --> 02:14:42,149
of and this is sort of how we we

3406
02:14:46,519 --> 02:14:44,069
conclude our book is it doesn't really

3407
02:14:49,429 --> 02:14:46,529
matter what the truth is after six or

3408
02:14:51,559 --> 02:14:49,439
seven decades it's time for us to hear

3409
02:14:53,149 --> 02:14:51,569
it and we'll simply have to handle it

3410
02:14:56,419 --> 02:14:53,159
whatever it is so I think your point in

3411
02:14:58,429 --> 02:14:56,429
Hawking's point very well taken it could

3412
02:15:00,949 --> 02:14:58,439
be a very mixed bag at one of the points

3413
02:15:04,039 --> 02:15:00,959
that we made if I can add here is that

3414
02:15:06,739 --> 02:15:04,049
it's very possible very likely that at

3415
02:15:08,689 --> 02:15:06,749
the moment of disclosure that really all

3416
02:15:10,939 --> 02:15:08,699
of the answers are not out on the table

3417
02:15:12,859 --> 02:15:10,949
and in fact the president and his of her

3418
02:15:15,169 --> 02:15:12,869
people around the president may not

3419
02:15:17,689 --> 02:15:15,179
really know the answers as well those

3420
02:15:19,549 --> 02:15:17,699
secret keepers may not have a complete

3421
02:15:21,619 --> 02:15:19,559
handle on the motivations of these other

3422
02:15:24,229 --> 02:15:21,629
beings if there's one group or multiple

3423
02:15:27,409 --> 02:15:24,239
groups and so what we may be in for is a

3424
02:15:29,719 --> 02:15:27,419
very unsatisfying situation where we

3425
02:15:31,579 --> 02:15:29,729
have enough knowledge to know and to

3426
02:15:34,009 --> 02:15:31,589
prove that there are other beings here

3427
02:15:36,529 --> 02:15:34,019
but not necessarily enough knowledge to

3428
02:15:38,389 --> 02:15:36,539
know all about their motivations to be

3429
02:15:40,879 --> 02:15:38,399
able to bring one grey alien and put

3430
02:15:42,979 --> 02:15:40,889
them on the podium with the president so

3431
02:15:44,839 --> 02:15:42,989
there's very likely a very good chance

3432
02:15:47,629 --> 02:15:44,849
that there's going to be generations

3433
02:15:49,399 --> 02:15:47,639
worth of debate an argument about these

3434
02:15:51,979 --> 02:15:49,409
beings disclosure it's not going to be

3435
02:15:55,149 --> 02:15:51,989
the end of the debate on this it's the

3436
02:15:57,259 --> 02:15:55,159
beginning of a new fight for truth

3437
02:16:00,609 --> 02:15:57,269
understanding which rich by the way that

3438
02:16:03,559 --> 02:16:00,619
that is completely dovetails into our

3439
02:16:05,539 --> 02:16:03,569
1960s so with technology analogy if you

3440
02:16:07,639 --> 02:16:05,549
think about it again the art we're

3441
02:16:10,819 --> 02:16:07,649
saying disclosure is the analogy for

3442
02:16:12,589 --> 02:16:10,829
Vietnam and JFK but what's the after

3443
02:16:15,289 --> 02:16:12,599
disclosure part of it well what happened

3444
02:16:17,179 --> 02:16:15,299
we saw this giant Watergate conspiracy

3445
02:16:19,519 --> 02:16:17,189
what did you know and when did you know

3446
02:16:21,150 --> 02:16:19,529
it gene well one of the things that we

3447
02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:21,160
are very big on

3448
02:16:25,740 --> 02:16:23,920
is that the system doesn't immediately

3449
02:16:29,100 --> 02:16:25,750
change itself it just looks at this

3450
02:16:31,800 --> 02:16:29,110
really major interesting phenomenally

3451
02:16:34,070 --> 02:16:31,810
compelling situation through the prism

3452
02:16:36,780 --> 02:16:34,080
of its old ways so yeah there will be

3453
02:16:38,190 --> 02:16:36,790
congressional investigations there will

3454
02:16:39,630 --> 02:16:38,200
be there might even be troop

3455
02:16:41,730 --> 02:16:39,640
Commission's like there were in South

3456
02:16:44,730 --> 02:16:41,740
Africa trying to get to the bottom of

3457
02:16:46,860 --> 02:16:44,740
this it's quite possible that rich what

3458
02:16:49,140 --> 02:16:46,870
rich said is actually the way it will go

3459
02:16:50,850 --> 02:16:49,150
down that not everything will be dumped

3460
02:16:52,169 --> 02:16:50,860
out as a full disclosure it's not like

3461
02:16:55,140 --> 02:16:52,179
they're gonna send us all hard drives

3462
02:16:56,820 --> 02:16:55,150
full of photos and videos and documents

3463
02:16:58,380 --> 02:16:56,830
they'll probably peel it out a little

3464
02:17:01,080 --> 02:16:58,390
bit at a time so when you talk about

3465
02:17:03,360 --> 02:17:01,090
gradual disclosure there may be gradual

3466
02:17:05,669 --> 02:17:03,370
pre disclosure but there may be gradual

3467
02:17:07,440 --> 02:17:05,679
post disclosure as well what about the

3468
02:17:09,720 --> 02:17:07,450
possibility here that we've had

3469
02:17:12,150 --> 02:17:09,730
interactions with them and that this

3470
02:17:15,930 --> 02:17:12,160
disclosure process is part of that

3471
02:17:19,530 --> 02:17:15,940
interaction yeah there have been rumors

3472
02:17:21,419 --> 02:17:19,540
and leaks for more than 50 60 years that

3473
02:17:23,850 --> 02:17:21,429
there have been meetings going right

3474
02:17:28,290 --> 02:17:23,860
back to the infamous leak or rumor about

3475
02:17:30,690 --> 02:17:28,300
Eisenhower in 1954 meeting with ETS is

3476
02:17:32,550 --> 02:17:30,700
it possible of course it's possible of

3477
02:17:35,220 --> 02:17:32,560
course it's possible so if there has

3478
02:17:37,290 --> 02:17:35,230
been collusion and communication in some

3479
02:17:38,970 --> 02:17:37,300
way this is certainly gonna be on the

3480
02:17:40,620 --> 02:17:38,980
table for discussion well certainly

3481
02:17:42,930 --> 02:17:40,630
congressmen would say you're traitors

3482
02:17:45,450 --> 02:17:42,940
because you're colluding with this other

3483
02:17:47,730 --> 02:17:45,460
race with the aliens

3484
02:17:49,590 --> 02:17:47,740
that's not proper some would say that

3485
02:17:51,870 --> 02:17:49,600
and some would undoubtedly offer a

3486
02:17:54,120 --> 02:17:51,880
defense of that yeah I don't think it

3487
02:17:56,669 --> 02:17:54,130
would go either either way necessarily

3488
02:17:59,040 --> 02:17:56,679
it depends on how what they're talking

3489
02:18:01,650 --> 02:17:59,050
about and and also it's just there's so

3490
02:18:03,990 --> 02:18:01,660
many assumptions that are embedded in a

3491
02:18:06,959 --> 02:18:04,000
lot of these issues and the answer goes

3492
02:18:10,020 --> 02:18:06,969
back to well it depends when you say are

3493
02:18:11,459 --> 02:18:10,030
we talking to them well do you talk to

3494
02:18:13,230 --> 02:18:11,469
the others the way that we're having

3495
02:18:15,120 --> 02:18:13,240
this conversation where it's a

3496
02:18:17,580 --> 02:18:15,130
give-and-take don't know they may have a

3497
02:18:20,700 --> 02:18:17,590
different way of speaking to themselves

3498
02:18:22,410 --> 02:18:20,710
and to us whether it's a psychic or

3499
02:18:24,030 --> 02:18:22,420
verbal who knows we don't know about

3500
02:18:26,430 --> 02:18:24,040
some of those things and then the other

3501
02:18:28,440 --> 02:18:26,440
thing is we have a hard time talking to

3502
02:18:30,180 --> 02:18:28,450
humans and figuring out if they're

3503
02:18:32,760 --> 02:18:30,190
telling the truth to us or not and quite

3504
02:18:34,320 --> 02:18:32,770
often they're not I mean I was a CNN

3505
02:18:34,959 --> 02:18:34,330
correspondent in an investigative

3506
02:18:36,939 --> 02:18:34,969
reporter

3507
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:36,949
in another lifetime and all I can say is

3508
02:18:40,750 --> 02:18:39,050
I've been lied to by experts people that

3509
02:18:42,879 --> 02:18:40,760
will look you in the eye and tell you a

3510
02:18:44,830 --> 02:18:42,889
whopper of a story that's just plain not

3511
02:18:46,599 --> 02:18:44,840
true and they almost get passed a

3512
02:18:48,819 --> 02:18:46,609
lie-detector test on it because they

3513
02:18:51,429 --> 02:18:48,829
believe it so much so who's to say that

3514
02:18:54,669 --> 02:18:51,439
an alien intelligence has the same

3515
02:18:56,439 --> 02:18:54,679
concept of what truth is as we do or

3516
02:18:58,059 --> 02:18:56,449
that if they did have the same concept

3517
02:19:00,790 --> 02:18:58,069
that they would choose to follow that

3518
02:19:02,290 --> 02:19:00,800
concept so we're in for a brave new

3519
02:19:03,879 --> 02:19:02,300
world here and of course there could be

3520
02:19:05,919 --> 02:19:03,889
a prime directive you know we joke about

3521
02:19:09,189 --> 02:19:05,929
that with Star Trek but they have

3522
02:19:10,959 --> 02:19:09,199
certain edicts that they follow as to

3523
02:19:13,389 --> 02:19:10,969
what they tell a more primitive race

3524
02:19:15,370 --> 02:19:13,399
what can they say about themselves yes

3525
02:19:16,959 --> 02:19:15,380
it would be very difficult for us if we

3526
02:19:18,939 --> 02:19:16,969
time-traveled back a thousand years

3527
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:18,949
think about this we've run into the most

3528
02:19:24,639 --> 02:19:21,050
intelligent group of humans on planet

3529
02:19:26,739 --> 02:19:24,649
Earth circa year 1,000 what could we

3530
02:19:28,169 --> 02:19:26,749
really tell them about our world today

3531
02:19:30,639 --> 02:19:28,179
without their heads exploding

3532
02:19:33,729 --> 02:19:30,649
realistically you can only say so much

3533
02:19:35,679 --> 02:19:33,739
and these other beings if they're benign

3534
02:19:37,779 --> 02:19:35,689
could still have to be they might be

3535
02:19:39,459 --> 02:19:37,789
very limited in what they feel that they

3536
02:19:41,799 --> 02:19:39,469
can tell us for the same reason I mean

3537
02:19:44,049 --> 02:19:41,809
the thing that I think both Richard and

3538
02:19:45,609 --> 02:19:44,059
I have experienced through different

3539
02:19:48,699 --> 02:19:45,619
ways I mean rich has been writing about

3540
02:19:51,399 --> 02:19:48,709
this in a nonfiction way longer than

3541
02:19:52,870 --> 02:19:51,409
than I have and I've been doing it from

3542
02:19:55,090 --> 02:19:52,880
the from the fictional point of view

3543
02:19:56,800 --> 02:19:55,100
prior to this but both of us have

3544
02:19:59,649 --> 02:19:56,810
encountered because of what we've done

3545
02:20:01,899 --> 02:19:59,659
people who are credible witnesses who

3546
02:20:05,939 --> 02:20:01,909
have come up and told us incredible

3547
02:20:09,550 --> 02:20:05,949
stories and many of those stories have

3548
02:20:12,069 --> 02:20:09,560
buried in them or on the surface of them

3549
02:20:14,889 --> 02:20:12,079
seem a little disconcerting that the

3550
02:20:17,469 --> 02:20:14,899
ultimate reality behind the story from

3551
02:20:19,689 --> 02:20:17,479
this credible witness is that things

3552
02:20:22,779 --> 02:20:19,699
could be a little troubling and that

3553
02:20:25,510 --> 02:20:22,789
they're it's not a perfect situation at

3554
02:20:27,670 --> 02:20:25,520
all and honestly that's what I kind of

3555
02:20:29,199 --> 02:20:27,680
come down to in my own personal beliefs

3556
02:20:31,359 --> 02:20:29,209
and again that I have nothing better

3557
02:20:33,489 --> 02:20:31,369
than my own experience and

3558
02:20:37,090 --> 02:20:33,499
interpretations but it sure sounds to me

3559
02:20:41,739 --> 02:20:37,100
like it's a vastly more complex problem

3560
02:20:43,779 --> 02:20:41,749
than one group of ETS has come here to

3561
02:20:46,359 --> 02:20:43,789
study the planet I don't think that's

3562
02:20:48,380 --> 02:20:46,369
what's out there it could be our cells

3563
02:20:50,330 --> 02:20:48,390
from the future it could be a parallel

3564
02:20:52,820 --> 02:20:50,340
universe it could be some kind of

3565
02:20:54,679 --> 02:20:52,830
cultural conditioning to accept new

3566
02:20:56,540 --> 02:20:54,689
realities we didn't know what the answer

3567
02:21:01,250 --> 02:20:56,550
is and we're all speculating aren't we

3568
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:01,260
well have we've come across our own

3569
02:21:06,769 --> 02:21:03,930
stories our own people who have given us

3570
02:21:10,280 --> 02:21:06,779
some very chilling and I would even say

3571
02:21:12,800 --> 02:21:10,290
upsetting stories about you know the

3572
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:12,810
reality of this and the whole secrecy

3573
02:21:20,689 --> 02:21:16,080
scenario around it which we did include

3574
02:21:22,399 --> 02:21:20,699
at various points in AD the basic idea

3575
02:21:25,130 --> 02:21:22,409
of high-level government people being

3576
02:21:28,280 --> 02:21:25,140
deeply upset over what they apparently

3577
02:21:30,320 --> 02:21:28,290
learned relating to this topic you know

3578
02:21:32,479 --> 02:21:30,330
we both come across these texts you have

3579
02:21:35,059 --> 02:21:32,489
to ask that one of the things that we

3580
02:21:38,240 --> 02:21:35,069
talk about in the book is if you back in

3581
02:21:40,849 --> 02:21:38,250
my news days that every newscast had to

3582
02:21:42,410 --> 02:21:40,859
answer the question are you safe if it

3583
02:21:44,840 --> 02:21:42,420
was a national newscast that would be

3584
02:21:47,389 --> 02:21:44,850
are we at war if it was a local newscast

3585
02:21:50,210 --> 02:21:47,399
is there a rapist loose in a particular

3586
02:21:52,550 --> 02:21:50,220
community are you safe well the same is

3587
02:21:54,769 --> 02:21:52,560
true of this issue are we safe that's

3588
02:21:57,110 --> 02:21:54,779
what we want to know from disclosure in

3589
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order to figure out if we're safe we

3590
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need to know a couple of answers to a

3591
02:22:03,710 --> 02:22:01,199
couple of very vexing questions the

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first is who are they because we're not

3593
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sure that yet and then the second and

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most important one is what do they want

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some comments to make about the show

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02:27:08,100 --> 02:27:06,370
this discussion has just flown by I mean

3711
02:27:10,200 --> 02:27:08,110
we just sit here and say disclosure we

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can go on for another 12 hours and

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that's why rich Dolan and Bryce Abel

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will be back

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even without the Austrian accent here

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yes increase we have any more questions

3717
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from our audience before we go on well

3718
02:27:25,171 --> 02:27:23,110
we do and it kind of dovetails nicely

3719
02:27:26,940 --> 02:27:25,181
with the with the comment that you just

3720
02:27:30,540 --> 02:27:26,950
made in the last segment Jean about

3721
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about the true nature of these non-human

3722
02:27:37,171 --> 02:27:34,660
entities and I'm always amana's I always

3723
02:27:40,110 --> 02:27:37,181
go back to the the interesting Terence

3724
02:27:41,970 --> 02:27:40,120
Mckenna quotes he says are we dealing

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with another tenant in the building I

3726
02:27:45,810 --> 02:27:44,170
mean where do you guys come down on the

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possibility that we're dealing with

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something that's as terrestrial as we

3729
02:27:51,810 --> 02:27:49,780
are it just as couching itself as being

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something off planet how much of a

3731
02:27:56,370 --> 02:27:53,771
possibility do you see for a scenario

3732
02:27:58,560 --> 02:27:56,380
like that being the case one of our

3733
02:28:01,530 --> 02:27:58,570
chapters specifically addresses this

3734
02:28:03,480 --> 02:28:01,540
type of an issue you know who are they

3735
02:28:05,881 --> 02:28:03,490
what are they there's all of these types

3736
02:28:07,320 --> 02:28:05,891
of possibilities you've got the obvious

3737
02:28:09,631 --> 02:28:07,330
one that people talked about for years

3738
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:09,641
the extra-terrestrial possibility which

3739
02:28:14,040 --> 02:28:12,250
does still even today have a certain

3740
02:28:15,690 --> 02:28:14,050
amount of logic to it but you've got

3741
02:28:17,940 --> 02:28:15,700
other reasons to think that there are

3742
02:28:21,091 --> 02:28:17,950
there types of solutions are they

3743
02:28:23,671 --> 02:28:21,101
homegrown type of intelligence this is

3744
02:28:26,671 --> 02:28:23,681
certainly a possibility is are they an

3745
02:28:28,890 --> 02:28:26,681
ancient kind of broken away civilization

3746
02:28:31,410 --> 02:28:28,900
a group of humans that some had

3747
02:28:34,801 --> 02:28:31,420
discovered a secret that enabled them to

3748
02:28:36,660 --> 02:28:34,811
a break away and move ahead of the rest

3749
02:28:38,780 --> 02:28:36,670
of us poor slobs who weren't in on on

3750
02:28:41,640 --> 02:28:38,790
the fast track and they are now in

3751
02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:41,650
appearance as as extraterrestrials or as

3752
02:28:47,881 --> 02:28:44,650
gods okay although if we have to vote I

3753
02:28:49,469 --> 02:28:47,891
would I would say I see less evidence

3754
02:28:51,120 --> 02:28:49,479
and anecdotal

3755
02:28:52,710 --> 02:28:51,130
Dory's that would lead me to believe

3756
02:28:55,139 --> 02:28:52,720
that they were another tenant in the

3757
02:28:57,540 --> 02:28:55,149
building I think they're somebody who's

3758
02:28:59,340 --> 02:28:57,550
come to visit our building I tend to

3759
02:29:01,050 --> 02:28:59,350
agree with Bryce on this but there are

3760
02:29:04,080 --> 02:29:01,060
these other possibilities and then you

3761
02:29:06,300 --> 02:29:04,090
have the question of dimensions Terence

3762
02:29:09,149 --> 02:29:06,310
Mckenna would be particularly interested

3763
02:29:11,489 --> 02:29:09,159
in that are these entities that inhabit

3764
02:29:13,290 --> 02:29:11,499
some other dimension of reality whatever

3765
02:29:15,090 --> 02:29:13,300
that means because really when you hear

3766
02:29:17,160 --> 02:29:15,100
people talking about dimensions it's

3767
02:29:18,599 --> 02:29:17,170
almost never in a truly scientific way

3768
02:29:20,460 --> 02:29:18,609
we just say oh yeah there's another

3769
02:29:22,229 --> 02:29:20,470
dimension well maybe if there is another

3770
02:29:23,819 --> 02:29:22,239
dimension and maybe there are entities

3771
02:29:27,210 --> 02:29:23,829
that inhabit that that's certainly

3772
02:29:28,170 --> 02:29:27,220
another possibility okay well we do have

3773
02:29:30,120 --> 02:29:28,180
some questions but we pretty much

3774
02:29:32,069 --> 02:29:30,130
covered everything that the questions a

3775
02:29:37,620 --> 02:29:32,079
lot of it is just people commenting

3776
02:29:39,179 --> 02:29:37,630
really let's see hold on well I would

3777
02:29:40,380 --> 02:29:39,189
like to just throw something out there

3778
02:29:42,929 --> 02:29:40,390
if I could

3779
02:29:45,239 --> 02:29:42,939
one of the things that we tried to do in

3780
02:29:48,359 --> 02:29:45,249
the book that I think is different is we

3781
02:29:50,580 --> 02:29:48,369
asked ourselves if we could end it

3782
02:29:52,739 --> 02:29:50,590
differently and so what we attempted to

3783
02:29:54,660 --> 02:29:52,749
do is we sort of brought closure to all

3784
02:29:57,960 --> 02:29:54,670
the things that we have discussed in

3785
02:30:00,689 --> 02:29:57,970
this book is tried to say okay there's

3786
02:30:02,580 --> 02:30:00,699
three interest groups here there's those

3787
02:30:06,899 --> 02:30:02,590
of us here on planet earth you want to

3788
02:30:09,210 --> 02:30:06,909
know more there are the others who are

3789
02:30:10,410 --> 02:30:09,220
visiting us from somewhere and then

3790
02:30:12,689 --> 02:30:10,420
there's the people who have been

3791
02:30:14,609 --> 02:30:12,699
managing the secrets and all of these

3792
02:30:17,489 --> 02:30:14,619
people all these groups have different

3793
02:30:20,040 --> 02:30:17,499
interests and yet we all come together

3794
02:30:22,080 --> 02:30:20,050
under the umbrella of disclosure so in

3795
02:30:25,229 --> 02:30:22,090
our final chapter we actually look

3796
02:30:27,840 --> 02:30:25,239
forward to and speak directly to these

3797
02:30:30,689 --> 02:30:27,850
groups about what they need to do to

3798
02:30:32,580 --> 02:30:30,699
manage this transition most effectively

3799
02:30:36,840 --> 02:30:32,590
and I think the one thing that we

3800
02:30:39,090 --> 02:30:36,850
certainly are strongly of a belief went

3801
02:30:42,330 --> 02:30:39,100
by writing this book is that we are in a

3802
02:30:44,040 --> 02:30:42,340
transition this age this that we're

3803
02:30:46,439 --> 02:30:44,050
living in now is going to be looked at

3804
02:30:48,689 --> 02:30:46,449
by people in the future as they look

3805
02:30:51,750 --> 02:30:48,699
back and say that was the moment where

3806
02:30:54,120 --> 02:30:51,760
the switch got flipped from BC before

3807
02:30:56,069 --> 02:30:54,130
confirmation to ad after disclosure

3808
02:30:58,319 --> 02:30:56,079
that's why we picked the title because

3809
02:31:00,479 --> 02:30:58,329
we honestly believe that this version of

3810
02:31:03,030 --> 02:31:00,489
ad is probably more important than the

3811
02:31:04,920 --> 02:31:03,040
previous version of what ad meant

3812
02:31:06,600 --> 02:31:04,930
and that that these different groups

3813
02:31:08,730 --> 02:31:06,610
need to be talked about and we need to

3814
02:31:11,970 --> 02:31:08,740
come together and we need to find common

3815
02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:11,980
cause and so to the others we simply say

3816
02:31:16,590 --> 02:31:14,170
it's time it's over you know whatever

3817
02:31:19,080 --> 02:31:16,600
you're here for let us know to the

3818
02:31:22,320 --> 02:31:19,090
secret keepers we say you had 70 years

3819
02:31:24,720 --> 02:31:22,330
to deal with this how about now getting

3820
02:31:27,000 --> 02:31:24,730
off that position and bringing all of us

3821
02:31:29,400 --> 02:31:27,010
in on it and to everyone else we just

3822
02:31:31,710 --> 02:31:29,410
say get yourselves ready because hold on

3823
02:31:34,590 --> 02:31:31,720
it's coming that's right

3824
02:31:37,830 --> 02:31:34,600
that's right and actually if I can just

3825
02:31:40,500 --> 02:31:37,840
add one other really important theme to

3826
02:31:44,400 --> 02:31:40,510
to our book and I know this is important

3827
02:31:47,070 --> 02:31:44,410
to Bryce as it is to me is in our next

3828
02:31:50,100 --> 02:31:47,080
to last chapter which we called XO

3829
02:31:52,980 --> 02:31:50,110
politics rising you know you think about

3830
02:31:54,630 --> 02:31:52,990
the political both both national and

3831
02:31:56,820 --> 02:31:54,640
international ramifications of

3832
02:31:58,710 --> 02:31:56,830
disclosure I don't know if any of us

3833
02:32:01,050 --> 02:31:58,720
really can can see this whole thing

3834
02:32:04,140 --> 02:32:01,060
because it's just so big but obviously

3835
02:32:06,840 --> 02:32:04,150
it's going to be a major major part of

3836
02:32:08,250 --> 02:32:06,850
any historical writing about this period

3837
02:32:11,070 --> 02:32:08,260
you know hundred years from now and they

3838
02:32:13,430 --> 02:32:11,080
look back people will be dealing and

3839
02:32:17,040 --> 02:32:13,440
looking at this global political

3840
02:32:19,350 --> 02:32:17,050
transformation and and one of our

3841
02:32:21,870 --> 02:32:19,360
motivations in writing this book is is

3842
02:32:23,940 --> 02:32:21,880
to to show that I mean there are a

3843
02:32:25,950 --> 02:32:23,950
couple of paths here that the world can

3844
02:32:28,320 --> 02:32:25,960
go in a post disclosure world one of

3845
02:32:31,650 --> 02:32:28,330
those paths it would be like a global

3846
02:32:33,120 --> 02:32:31,660
police state of a fascist state we'd be

3847
02:32:36,780 --> 02:32:33,130
fools to say that this is not possible

3848
02:32:39,240 --> 02:32:36,790
after all you're a government or a

3849
02:32:41,790 --> 02:32:39,250
clique you're looking at this phenomenon

3850
02:32:44,190 --> 02:32:41,800
and you're seeing it very possibly spin

3851
02:32:47,340 --> 02:32:44,200
out of control and there's going to have

3852
02:32:49,980 --> 02:32:47,350
to be a temptation to create a kind of

3853
02:32:51,810 --> 02:32:49,990
police state to keep everyone under its

3854
02:32:54,750 --> 02:32:51,820
tight control as possibly that's already

3855
02:32:56,430 --> 02:32:54,760
a vision well exactly exactly but here's

3856
02:32:57,270 --> 02:32:56,440
the thing there's the other side of it

3857
02:32:59,460 --> 02:32:57,280
okay

3858
02:33:01,440 --> 02:32:59,470
think of the Arab Spring think of the

3859
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:01,450
Occupy movement and then multiply it by

3860
02:33:06,720 --> 02:33:03,850
many many factors because that's what is

3861
02:33:09,420 --> 02:33:06,730
going to happen in a post disclosure

3862
02:33:11,820 --> 02:33:09,430
scenario so it's not all going to be on

3863
02:33:14,940 --> 02:33:11,830
one side you're gonna have a lot of

3864
02:33:16,381 --> 02:33:14,950
millions and millions and millions of

3865
02:33:18,991 --> 02:33:16,391
very very angry

3866
02:33:20,881 --> 02:33:19,001
people Wackenhut security might be able

3867
02:33:23,581 --> 02:33:20,891
to stop ten people from breaking in that

3868
02:33:26,281 --> 02:33:23,591
area 51 can they stop a million I don't

3869
02:33:28,381 --> 02:33:26,291
know we're gonna be in a situation where

3870
02:33:30,150 --> 02:33:28,391
political leaders around the world are

3871
02:33:32,281 --> 02:33:30,160
going to have to make a decision and

3872
02:33:35,491 --> 02:33:32,291
they're gonna have to decide essentially

3873
02:33:38,100 --> 02:33:35,501
where am i coming down on this am I

3874
02:33:40,381 --> 02:33:38,110
going to side with those groups and

3875
02:33:43,020 --> 02:33:40,391
powers that essentially put me into this

3876
02:33:44,911 --> 02:33:43,030
office that is the controlling group

3877
02:33:47,220 --> 02:33:44,921
that's behind every major political

3878
02:33:49,321 --> 02:33:47,230
leader in the world or am I gonna take a

3879
02:33:51,211 --> 02:33:49,331
stand on the side of the people am I

3880
02:33:53,701 --> 02:33:51,221
gonna am I gonna do the right thing or

3881
02:33:56,400 --> 02:33:53,711
am I gonna do what maybe is more

3882
02:33:58,051 --> 02:33:56,410
politically natural to me and I don't

3883
02:34:00,211 --> 02:33:58,061
know one knows the answer to that but

3884
02:34:02,371 --> 02:34:00,221
this is going to be an important

3885
02:34:04,531 --> 02:34:02,381
decision that will be made and and one

3886
02:34:07,801 --> 02:34:04,541
of the things that we would like to

3887
02:34:09,541 --> 02:34:07,811
think is that it will be possible to

3888
02:34:12,001 --> 02:34:09,551
take the high road not the low road not

3889
02:34:15,121 --> 02:34:12,011
the dark road that in other words for

3890
02:34:19,350 --> 02:34:15,131
political leaders to have courage and to

3891
02:34:21,871 --> 02:34:19,360
say we are going a to shine light on the

3892
02:34:25,291 --> 02:34:21,881
culture of runaway secrecy which has

3893
02:34:28,201 --> 02:34:25,301
hitherto dominated this topic we can do

3894
02:34:32,011 --> 02:34:28,211
it we can create formalized structures

3895
02:34:36,511 --> 02:34:32,021
globally that allow people truly to have

3896
02:34:40,501 --> 02:34:36,521
a democratic publicly kind of open and

3897
02:34:42,690 --> 02:34:40,511
shared system in which people do have a

3898
02:34:45,571 --> 02:34:42,700
voice that it doesn't have to be a

3899
02:34:48,600 --> 02:34:45,581
system of fascism that takes over there

3900
02:34:50,730 --> 02:34:48,610
can be a better way and this is

3901
02:34:54,060 --> 02:34:50,740
something that really we both spend a

3902
02:34:57,060 --> 02:34:54,070
lot of effort on in in really the final

3903
02:34:58,560 --> 02:34:57,070
lengthy chapter of the book no book is

3904
02:35:00,810 --> 02:34:58,570
called we're just about out of time let

3905
02:35:03,781 --> 02:35:00,820
me just you know the rep the book is ad

3906
02:35:05,881 --> 02:35:03,791
after disclosure there's a new edition

3907
02:35:08,400 --> 02:35:05,891
available now and there's a site that

3908
02:35:11,371 --> 02:35:08,410
you have devoted to the subject which

3909
02:35:14,461 --> 02:35:11,381
you can tell us about quickly rich yeah

3910
02:35:16,051 --> 02:35:14,471
after disclosure calm it's a blog site

3911
02:35:17,581 --> 02:35:16,061
that Bryce and I have had running for a

3912
02:35:19,350 --> 02:35:17,591
while we've got a lot of articles up

3913
02:35:21,421 --> 02:35:19,360
there that he has written that I've

3914
02:35:24,270 --> 02:35:21,431
written and also that guest authors have

3915
02:35:27,511 --> 02:35:24,280
also written for us it's very active and

3916
02:35:29,261 --> 02:35:27,521
I would say very vibrant varied type of

3917
02:35:31,480 --> 02:35:29,271
site we even have

3918
02:35:34,270 --> 02:35:31,490
an even more active Facebook page that

3919
02:35:37,120 --> 02:35:34,280
currently has 3,800 people on it that's

3920
02:35:39,131 --> 02:35:37,130
at facebook.com backslash after

3921
02:35:41,051 --> 02:35:39,141
disclosure and that's where the dialog

3922
02:35:42,520 --> 02:35:41,061
with people is happening and we

3923
02:35:42,940 --> 02:35:42,530
encourage people to drop by there as

3924
02:35:44,950 --> 02:35:42,950
well

3925
02:35:48,881 --> 02:35:44,960
we also encourage people who would like

3926
02:35:51,580 --> 02:35:48,891
to see the dark skies TV show be reborn

3927
02:35:53,320 --> 02:35:51,590
as a movie or another TV series where do

3928
02:35:56,500 --> 02:35:53,330
you go for that price well I'll tell you

3929
02:35:58,720 --> 02:35:56,510
dark skies was and is an ongoing debate

3930
02:36:00,131 --> 02:35:58,730
about disclosure whether the people have

3931
02:36:02,140 --> 02:36:00,141
a right to know or the people can't

3932
02:36:04,720 --> 02:36:02,150
handle the truth and you can join that

3933
02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:04,730
campaign by giving your Facebook love or

3934
02:36:10,900 --> 02:36:08,090
like to facebook.com backslash dark

3935
02:36:13,750 --> 02:36:10,910
skies UFO and I've already done that and

3936
02:36:17,110 --> 02:36:13,760
we all love Chris O'Brien's site which

3937
02:36:19,150 --> 02:36:17,120
is our strange plant calm very close to

3938
02:36:21,430 --> 02:36:19,160
the debut of the new version right Chris

3939
02:36:23,530 --> 02:36:21,440
correct it should be this the week prior

3940
02:36:25,150 --> 02:36:23,540
to this broadcast and by the way folks

3941
02:36:28,511 --> 02:36:25,160
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3942
02:36:31,540 --> 02:36:28,521
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3943
02:36:33,761 --> 02:36:31,550
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3944
02:36:36,671 --> 02:36:33,771
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3945
02:36:38,860 --> 02:36:36,681
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3946
02:36:40,330 --> 02:36:38,870
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3947
02:36:42,430 --> 02:36:40,340
Bryce April thank you both for joining

3948
02:36:43,930 --> 02:36:42,440
us this week on the power cast

3949
02:36:46,060 --> 02:36:43,940
thanks very much gene it was a pleasure

3950
02:36:48,640 --> 02:36:46,070
as a listen gene we just want to leave

3951
02:36:53,420 --> 02:36:48,650
by saying we're contact optimists and we

3952
02:36:59,820 --> 02:36:56,940
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3953
02:37:02,840 --> 02:36:59,830
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3954
02:37:06,540 --> 02:37:02,850
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